re: Any true crime cold cases interest you, involve or bother/terrify you?

The Cleveland Torso Murders...an oldie but a goodie.

Wikipedia Link

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The Cleveland Torso Murderer (also known as the Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run) was an unidentified serial killer who was active in Cleveland, Ohio, United States in the 1930s. The killings were characterized by the dismemberment of twelve known victims and the disposal of their remains in the impoverished neighborhood of Kingsbury Run. Despite an investigation of the murders, which at one time was led by famed lawman Eliot Ness, then Cleveland's Public Safety Director, the murderer was never apprehended.

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The two young girls that were murdered in 2017 while hiking in Delphi, Indiana.
They even have video of the suspect, found on one of the girls phones who caught him on video beforehand.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cows-death-alien-abduction-cult-theories-oregon-us-a9129431.html?fbclid=IwAR2ngJDzQIJ-kCgFV2gamnehGHkLezbAs4fwZhmTW1J9vvN93wvNtSE0iqQ&utm_source=reddit.com

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Cows found mutilated with sex organs removed and blood drained prompt alien and cult theories
No natural explanation for horrifying killings, police say
Andrew Griffin @_andrew_griffin 2 days ago 13 co

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Bulls have been found mutilated, killed and left with their blood drained and their sex organs removed, police in the US have said. People living near the scene of the animal deaths in Oregon have speculated they could be part of an occult ritual or an alien invasion

And while such outlandish suggestions have been routinely dismissed after similar cases in the past, experts say there is no obvious natural explanation and no indication the bulls were killed by either normal predators or poisonous plants.

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There were no tracks around the bodies, or other clues as to how the killing happened, but police and ranch management believe that they were executed by someone rather than something.

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The case recalls mutilations of livestock across the West and Midwest in the 1970s that prompted widespread fear in rural areas. Thousands of cattle and other livestock were found dead with the reproductive organs, and sometimes part of their faces, removed, in territory ranging from Minnesota to New Mexico.

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Cyclical?

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Two US senators urged the FBI to investigate, according to FBI documents. After saying it lacked jurisdiction, the FBI agreed to investigate cases on tribal lands. But the mutilations stopped.

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Subtle, but very important point (reference earlier discussions in this thread...)

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Mr Marshall suspects the bulls were killed to get the organs of the free-ranging bulls for some reason. The bull parts would be available cheaply or free at a slaughterhouse, but he believes some people are going to a lot of trouble to get these parts on the range.

There's no sign that scavengers removed the organs of the bulls, and instead someone using a knife or scalpel probably did, Mr Marshall said. "To lose a completely healthy animal would be an oddity," Mr Marshall said. "To lose five young, very healthy, in great shape, perfect bulls that are all basically the same age ... that is so outside the bounds of normal activity."

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ET intelligence corroborates that pastured animals are the tits...

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Mr Marshall speculates the bulls were darted with a tranquiliser that knocked them out. While some people acted as lookouts, others bled the animals out by inserting a large-gauge needle into the tongue and into an artery, then removed the organs after the heart stopped beating, he surmised. Mr Jenkins, the deputy, has a similar theory. "Personally, I would lean more toward the occult, where people for whatever reason - whether it's a phase of the moon or whatever rituals they're going to do with their beliefs - are coming to different areas and doing that," he said.

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So someone is going into isolated, rugged territory (unnoticed, leaving no tracks) and carrying out the above...

Natalie Wood. Wasn't she killed during or toward the end of filming Brainstorm? I always thought she was fricking Walken and Wagner found out and got pissed and shoved her overboard.

Weren't they about to reopen that case a couple years back?

There were 2 girls murdered in IA with similar circumstances. They were on a bike trail on the outskirts of town and both grabbed up.

This was in 2012 during the summer. Their remains were found sometime in December 2012 quite a few miles away in the woods. Whoever did it probably thought they would never be found but there are a lot of deer hunters in IA.

I am wondering if anyone has investigated whether these crimes were connected? The Evansdale, IA girls were close in age to the Delphi, Indiana girls.

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Vidor, TX billboards come to mind

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I know someone who was very close to the victim in that case. The little-known details are chilling. Inept small-town cops are more likely than a coverup.

https://m.bendsource.com/bend/cattle-mutilations-and-a-satanic-cult/Content?oid=11366005

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Cattle Mutilations and a Satanic Cult? Experts weigh in on the disturbing, ongoing mutilations of livestock in Central Oregon

by Cayla Clark October 30, 2019

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Over the course of the past three decades, over 10,000 animals across the U.S. have been systematically and inexplicably mutilated.

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David Bohnert, a ruminant nutritionist and extension beef cattle specialist, also with OSU Extension Service, offered his professional opinion as well. “It’s got to be some group doing some strange ritual. Human activity certainly seems possible. It is absolutely the strangest thing ever.” —Scott Duggan click to tweet In an email to the Source Weekly, Bohnert wrote, "I believe that someone killed the bulls. Death of healthy cattle on rangelands is normally due to one of three situations. These are: 1. Naturally occurring causes such as poisonous plants and unfortunate circumstances/accidents such as drowning, lightning, etc.; 2. Predation (wolves, cougars, bears, etc.) and; 3. Humans killing for fun, rituals, food, etc." Bohnert continued, "The time of year that the bulls were killed, and the locations of the animals where they died would make it highly unlikely that this was due to poisonous plants," he continued. "Also, it does not appear to be predation, based on the condition of the bulls. This leaves human causes as the most likely explanation in my opinion."

Duggan added, "It's got to be some group doing some strange ritual. Human activity certainly seems possible. It is absolutely the strangest thing ever." He went on to explain that cattle in Central Oregon are on high alert due to an increase in wolf attacks. In order for humans to successfully approach the cattle, they would've had to use a tranquilizer gun.

Colby Marshall, vice president of the Silvies Valley Ranch, explained just how difficult it would have been to bring the bulls down in a recent interview with The Oregonian. "How somebody put these bulls on the ground at what would be arguably a fairly close range — and to do it in a way that didn't leave any signs, no trace evidence, no footprints, no struggle marks from the animal, no broken limbs — I have no idea," he said.

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The veil is thin tonight, be safe...

I contend this is the work of non-human forces...

The Jack family in British Columbia has been missing since 1989



Apparently they were very poor and the dad met a guy at a bar “with a beard and flannel” which described everyone

Said he had a job for them and housing for the kids

Never been seen since and the company he said he worked for denied his story.

Relates to the missing 411 info (documentary)

https://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/post/youre-scared-go-out-without-gun-another-mutilated-cow-central-oregon-rattles-ranchers

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You're Scared To Go Out Without A Gun': Another Mutilated Cow In Central Oregon Rattles Ranchers

By ANNA KING • FEB 5, 2020

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The cow was mutilated in a remote stretch of U.S. Bureau of Land Management land in northern Lake County. Roth says it takes about an hour to drive there on a rough road with a high pickup or 4-wheel drive vehicle. According to Clancy Roth, Stephen’s wife, there are only five ranches for about 60 miles -- between their place and Bend, Oregon.

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As we’ve previously reported, five young bulls were slain last year on the expansive working and guest ranch that’s roughly the size of Chicago. The animals were killed on remote U.S. Forest Service allotments. Their tongues, genitals and blood were removed. Ranchers say scavengers like birds and coyotes didn’t touch the dead animals. The ranch’s owner offered a $25,000 reward for information leading to a conviction, but so far there are no suspects.

Back in Lake County, Roth’s cow was out of the Harney Sheriff’s Office jurisdiction. He called Lake and nearby Deschutes counties. He called the Oregon State Patrol, which also wouldn’t respond.

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Looking for more clues as to who, or what, killed his cow, Stephen Roth invited over his long-time friend Gary Bishop, who had served in the U.S. Air Force, in a tactical reconnaissance unit. They went out to where the cow was killed with the sheriff’s deputy. “It’s a hobby of mine to track stuff for hunting,” Bishop says. He recounts that the scene was incredibly strange.

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This dovetails with recent Project Bluebook (History channel) episode:

https://www.history.com/news/ufos-aliens-animal-human-mutilation-lovette-cunningham

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UPDATED:FEB 3, 2020ORIGINAL:JAN 10, 2020

The Dark Connection Between UFOs and Grisly Mutilations

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The details are both grisly and strangely surgical: corpses found under the open sky with their eyes plucked out, tongues removed and private parts excised—all extracted with the utmost precision and leaving not a drop of blood.

Reports of such unexplained mutilations, carried out on both humans and animals, have baffled investigators for decades, leading to speculation about whether the perpetrators might be otherworldly beings conducting biological experiments on earth’s inhabitants. While scores of reports have emerged from U.S. western and midwestern states detailing mysterious bloodless animal mutilations, human cases have been far less common—and often much sketchier in their documentation.

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Both recount an alleged incident of March 1956 involving Air Force sergeant Jonathan P. Lovette, who was assisting Major William Cunningham in the White Sands missile testing grounds near Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. While searching for scattered debris from a recent rocket test, Cunningham was shocked when he heard a loud scream.

Thinking Lovette had perhaps been bitten by a snake, English recountsCunningham crossed the dune to aid his partner when he purportedly witnessed one of the more bizarre human-extraterrestrial encounters. Instead of finding Lovette nursing a snake bite, Cunningham, according to English, recounted seeing the soldier being dragged by a long serpentine arm, wrapped around his legs, connected to a silver disk hovering in the air 15 to 20 feet away. Cunningham watched, frozen in horror, as Lovette was pulled inside the craft, which then rose vertically into the sky. The major then stumbled toward his jeep and radioed for assistance.

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Security teams arrived and the disturbed Cunningham was confined to the base hospital for observation and treatment after retelling what he believed he witnessed. According to Joseph’s Military Encounters book, base personnel did confirm an unidentified radar contact near Holloman at the time Lovette vanished. The base dispatched search parties into the desert, but it would be three days before Lovette’s nude corpse was discovered—some 10 miles from the site of the alleged abduction. From all indications the body had been exposed to the elements for 24 to 48 hours. According to English, the report offered no explanation of what might account for the missing third day, and the autopsy performed on Lovette raised more questions than delivered answers. First question was: Why had Lovette’s corpse been so severely mutilated? His tongue had been cut from the lower portion of the jaw, his eyes gouged out and his anus removed. In the Air Force medical examination report pertaining to the incident, English alleges that the coroner remarked on the apparent surgical skill used to remove the organs—in particular that the anus and genitalia had been neatly extracted like a plug. Perhaps most puzzling was the fact that the body had been completely drained of blood, but surprisingly, there was no vascular collapse usually associated with death by bleeding.

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