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any pilots here who can answer a question?

Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:15 pm
On the thread about the Ethiopian 737Max crash it seemed there were some knowledgeable people here. On an Airbus 319 or 320, if there were a situation where a plane took off with one side fuel tank empty or significantly less full than the other, would it cause problems on takeoff due to weight/balance?
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:17 pm to
You should have thought about that before you took off.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:21 pm to
Asymmetrical thrust, baw.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18419 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

, if there were a situation where a plane took off with one side fuel tank empty or significantly less full than the other, would it cause problems on takeoff due to weight/balance?


Yes, it would cause significant problems
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:26 pm to
Let me ask my private pilot


















Yea he said that’s a problem
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:31 pm to
Yes, it would be a problem. Transport category aircraft have limitations on fuel imbalances. Fuel is a checklist item on every turbine plane I’ve ever flown(not just the presence of fuel, obviously, but the distribution of it). Maybe on the recips too, I haven’t flown one of those in a while.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Richard Flagget
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:39 pm to
I was....










Inverted
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:41 pm to
Here's the reason I ask---I was telling someone about a flight I took about 9 years ago. The plane taxied down the runway, began to take off, and it seemed to make a hard left dip, then corrected right and leveled off, but at a very low altitude. Stopped climbing. We continued flying a very low altitude and several scary minutes later the pilot came on and told us we were returning to the airport. We flew around for a bit at this low altitude and then landed back at the same airport where we started. I'm not a good flyer to begin with, I take xanax so for sure my memory of the facts could be called into question, but after we landed and SAT ON THE PLANE FOR AN HOUR, (that is a fact, not clouded memory) the pilot came on the PA system and explained what was going on. As best as my foggy memory is, I'm pretty certain the pilot told us that prior to takeoff the fuel gauges registered full, but as soon as we took off, one of them dropped down to zero (or whatever) and they thought they had a faulty gauge but in reality the gauge was correct. Is that possible? I took it to mean that the tank wasn't in fact full and we were off balance. But in recounting this story to someone the other day they said they didn't think that was likely--that A) those things are checked before flight and B) planes can fly just fine with fuel imbalances and that it probably WAS just a faulty gauge.

I don't know...but that take off was definitely different from any other I have ever experienced.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:43 pm to
Don't large planes have pumps that can move fuel back and forth between the different fuel tanks to trim the plane during flight? If the pilot took off with poorly trimmed tanks, couldn't they just move fuel and keep going?
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 4:44 pm
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:45 pm to
Some do, some don’t. The C-130H can’t. I think the J model can. Just a couple of examples.
Posted by Nicky Parrish
Member since Apr 2016
7098 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:58 pm to
quote:

Don't large planes have pumps that can move fuel back and forth between the different fuel tanks to trim the plane during flight? If the pilot took off with poorly trimmed tanks, couldn't they just move fuel and keep going?

But if one tank was in fact empty, there wouldn’t have been enough fuel to get to their destination.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:01 pm to
Here is the default pilot answer to all of these questions: It depends. It depends on a lot of variables.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:10 pm to
Dunno, but I got a CSB.

I was 16 and headed for my check ride in a Piper Warrior, which has low-wing tanks. You are supposed to switch from right tank to left tank every so often to keep the weight even between one side and the other. .

I pretty much ran the FBO, so I could fuel it as I chose. And I knew that the examiner who would check me out and either grant or deny my license was HUGE.

So to maintain roll balance, I had underfilled the right tank. He immediately noticed and asked me if I was aware.

Me: Yes sir.

Him: And that's ok?

Me: Avgas is 6 pounds a gallon. The right tank is 10 gallons lower than the left, and you outweigh me by about ninety pounds, sir. Accounting for the moment arm, ten gallons is about right.

Him: Well done, son.

I passed with flying colors.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:14 pm to
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:27 pm to
Same thing almost happened to me. We started taxiing towards the runway and ended up turning around and going back to the gate. After parking for awhile a couple guys came and started putting more fuel in the wing.

I have a picture of them filling it up somewhere.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

would it cause problems on takeoff due to weight/balance?


not as big of a deal in transports as in small planes, 777-200 for example, holds a little over 300k lbs. of fuel, most in the center tanks, the rest in the wings, if you put a slide rule to it you can take off and land with one wing tank full and the other side empty
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:42 pm to
quote:

if you put a slide rule to it you can take off and land with one wing tank full and the other side empty

I’ve assumed this for a while. Ask a 130 FE about it though, and they’ll guarantee you will die.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 5:45 pm
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:18 pm to
Thanks for the input!
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
19443 posts
Posted on 3/17/19 at 12:22 am to
Crossfeed. Doesn’t do much good as you realize passing thru V1 though.
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