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Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:24 am to Clames
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One is a public servant, the other is not. Please attempt to figure out the context involved with this rather simple concept.
Sir or ma'am, you evidently don't' understand humility or respect and how that works in real life.
I understand full well, that people on this board like it when cops get screwed with because usually they have had run ins w/ police and think all police are bad human beings running around with an attitude and gun. they seem to like seeing them get some kind of payback.
I always start with the citizen's actions and attitude... the citizen had an objective and a camera. Fine, it's legal, but it's not cool and it just takes away from the police doing their job.
And you can bet because of this experience this policeman is going to have more attitude with the public not less. Why would he? He is going to think is this another punk playing games with me?
the more police are disrespected, the more it plays into the hands of what we don't want..but you guys just keep on encouraging this kind of freedom...
I think you are dead wrong and I hope to God none of you are raising punks that do this.
Would you support this kind of childish behavior and disrespect in a classroom? Apparently so because America is full of it
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:27 am to TreyAnastasio
Can't read through ten pages of this thread but what the frick is it with this new generation trying to provoke cops on camera and then acting so smugly like they've been at home poring over law books and now have knowledge of all kinds of statutes that cops are not aware of? Why is this a thing?
Some cops are bad at their jobs. You can find that in any field anywhere. Most are trying to do what they're supposed to do, ie protect people.
If these douchebags are trying to undermine the oh-so-oppressive American police force or something, I say we round them up and send them to Somalia so they can see what life is like without legitimate police.
Some cops are bad at their jobs. You can find that in any field anywhere. Most are trying to do what they're supposed to do, ie protect people.
If these douchebags are trying to undermine the oh-so-oppressive American police force or something, I say we round them up and send them to Somalia so they can see what life is like without legitimate police.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:28 am to ApexTiger
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That's clear and just wrong, unwise and shouldn't be tolerated or "supported" behind the mask of "it's legal"
If it is not illegal, it should be tolerated by police that are charged with enforcing laws that prohibit illegal behavior.
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Ask her how free she feels being watched with video camera and you won't answer her questions.
She would not like it any more than the cop liked it. I doubt many would argue that the cops do not like it, however, they have no more rights than my wife would have. They can get unhappy, but they have not legal ground to do anything to me about it.
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good luck with that!
Just because the cops have the guns and power to hurt me does not make them right. You are correct that people may suffer at the hands of the police that they make unhappy, but is that really something we wish to support as a society?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:30 am to zacata88
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Can't read through ten pages of this thread but what the frick is it with this new generation trying to provoke cops on camera and then acting so smugly like they've been at home poring over law books and now have knowledge of all kinds of statutes that cops are not aware of? Why is this a thing?
Some cops are bad at their jobs. You can find that in any field anywhere. Most are trying to do what they're supposed to do, ie protect people.
If these douchebags are trying to undermine the oh-so-oppressive American police force or something, I say we round them up and send them to Somalia so they can see what life is like without legitimate police.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:33 am to Placebeaux
Why you ....
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:34 am to zacata88
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Can't read through ten pages of this thread but what the frick is it with this new generation trying to provoke cops on camera and then acting so smugly like they've been at home poring over law books and now have knowledge of all kinds of statutes that cops are not aware of? Why is this a thing?
Some cops are bad at their jobs. You can find that in any field anywhere. Most are trying to do what they're supposed to do, ie protect people.
If these douchebags are trying to undermine the oh-so-oppressive American police force or something, I say we round them up and send them to Somalia so they can see what life is like without legitimate police.
There were two cops on the scene. One was professional and knew how to handle the situation. The other simply wanted to have his authority, his view of his authority respected. He either did not know the law or did not care about the law, he simply wanted his due, obedience.
Is it provoking a cop by exercising your rights and recording it? Only idiot cops are provoked by such benign actions. Why be provoked when someone is not breaking the law?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:36 am to ApexTiger
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:36 am to zacata88
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If these douchebags are trying to undermine the oh-so-oppressive American police force or something, I say we round them up and send them to Somalia so they can see what life is like without legitimate police.
Ahh yes, lets pack up and ship out American citizens doing nothing illegal b/c trhey are "douchebags" to cops.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:38 am to TreyAnastasio
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It's technically legal to follow your wife around trying to catch her doing something wrong or unfaithful. How is that going to work out?
Oh but's it's "Freedom"
Ask her how free she feels being watched and video and you won't answer her questions.
I can see it now.
Wife asks "Why are you following me around?"
"Why are you videoing this? Who is the female in the car with you?"
You reply " What have I done wrong, do I not have the right to be here?"
Really?
It's funny because it hits home how stupid it is to support this punks actions while the police are trying to do their job!!!
I judge each situation separately.
the policeman was being respectful and calm until he realized the punk was trying to jack with him and would not answer his direct question.
Why would you do that? How are you contributing to the situation?
if you are watchdog...then tell the police up front who you are...instead this is really the conduct of childish bush league journalism
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:45 am to Placebeaux
that guy is such a douche bag. get a job, you loser.
the cop freak out was fricking hilarious though.
the cop freak out was fricking hilarious though.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:46 am to novabill
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If it is not illegal, it should be tolerated by police that are charged with enforcing laws that prohibit illegal behavior.
my point is, somethings may be legal but still have consequences and do not promote good citizenship
quote:good citizenship
They can get unhappy, but they have not legal ground to do anything to me about it.
People get restraining orders all the time
freedom has boundaries as it should. Laws=boundaries
Conduct gets into human response...learn how to navigate it
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You are correct that people may suffer at the hands of the police that they make unhappy, but is that really something we wish to support as a society?
No, that's why I am saying side with the police on this one...
it's like school today, we support children's bad conduct more than we support teachers who are in place for the best interest of our children. It's become us against them nowadays.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 10:50 am
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:47 am to Placebeaux
Cop should have pulled that little punk and his bitch out the car and arrested them both
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:51 am to ApexTiger
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It's funny because it hits home how stupid it is to support this punks LEGAL actions while the police are trying to do their job!!! and assault a law abiding citizen.
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the policeman was being respectful and calm until he realized the punk was trying to jack with him and would not answer his direct question-IE exercise his rights.
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.instead this is really the conduct of childish bush league journalism but not illegal activity, the area of concern for professional law enforcement officers.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:52 am to ipodking
he tossed my registration on my lap!! ASSAULT!!!
Posted on 4/15/14 at 10:55 am to ApexTiger
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my point is, somethings may be legal but still have consequences and do not promote good citizenship
Only consequences would be from Law Enforcement Officers punishing someone for NOT breaking the law?
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good citizenship
People get restraining orders all the time
freedom has boundaries as it should. Laws=boundaries
Conduct gets into human response...learn how to navigate it
What does this have to do with the legal question being discussed?
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No, that's why I am saying side with the police on this one...
I side with the police in this case as well, the other cop, the professional one that did not act like a little girl. The cop was wrong. I get it you do not like the kids actions, but that does not justify the cops actions as the kid did nothing illegal. The cop was not concerned with the law, but his pride and authority.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:00 am to TH03
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he tossed my registration on my lap!! ASSAULT!!!
Dumb, I agree. But if he threw it at the cop, what would have happened?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:01 am to TH03
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he tossed my registration on my lap!! ASSAULT!!!
Would it be assault if he threw the paper at the cop? You know the cops would charge him with assault right?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:08 am to novabill
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What does this have to do with the legal question being discussed?
The police said he was being a distraction by circling the crime scene and then he refused to answer basic questions.
I am not sure of the legal question here, but because he was a distraction, he needs to respectfully answer their question. "What is your business here?"
Would you want a family member distracting your heart surgeon in the ER? "Do you mind if I circle the table and take some video, if you kill him, I want to have it on tape, thanks!" I mean I don't know how many analogies I need to keep tossing out to make the point...It doesn't have to be unlawful to get the "Get out of here" rebuke and that be the right thing to do "Get out, you're not helping"
sometimes it isn't a law or unlawful issue, it's about doing the right thing for the right reasons.
Disrespect must be confronted...
do we want all citizens to feel comfortable disrespecting authority? no, that's why this watchdog person should be humbled a little bit because he clearly has an agenda to carry out that isn't beneficial to society... though he hides behind good intentions (let's catch the cops being bad) that are deemed lawful.
Heck Democrats have great intentions too ..LOL
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/15/14 at 11:09 am to ApexTiger
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because he was a distraction, he needs to respectfully answer their question.
no, he doesnt.
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it's about doing the right thing for the right reasons.
exercising your rights doesnt require a "right" reason. You can just do it.
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do we want all citizens to feel comfortable disrespecting authority? no,
When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty -TJ
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