re: Ancient Aliens - Puma Punku

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The only reason the Coliseum is in the state of disrepair is that they started using the stone for other things.

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the Colosseum is made of concrete.

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I think about rock and I think about Pectus and Bob's Your uncle here he is!

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This is probably the best explanation on how the pyramids were built.

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seems that relies a lot on the water level for making the blocks level. what about water evaporation?

Modern archeologists and historians of the legitimate, non-UFO variety who specialize in the subject agree that the pyramids were not constructed using slave labor.

Also, this claim that "they couldn't have been made even using modern tools" stuff is pure UFO wackjob BS. Real historians and archeologists don't have major issues with the construction methods being available to the Egyptians. There's plenty of material out there on it. A quick Google search will show you this. These Ancient Aliens people are essentialy carnival hucksters who rely on blanket bullshite negative statements backed by nothing along the lines of "such and such is impossible" or "no other explanation" when it is possible and there are plenty of explanations. They're just hoping you take them at face value and don't look into any real non-carny sources.

One of the things that I truly believe most historians fail to take into account is the effects of the "Great Flood" on ancient civilizations. In the period between 8000 and 7000 BC, see levels rose inundating 200 miles of coastline, often in the span of weeks or months. The Mediterranean Sea, Red Sea, Black Sea, and the Persian Gulf were not seas at that time, they were fertile river valleys. Civilizations tend to spring up in river valleys where game is plentiful and soils are rich in nutrients for cultivation and freshwater is readily available. Note that today, 90% of the world's population lives within 200 miles of the ocean, including the vast majority of our most well developed cities. Using that metric, it is not inconceivable that 90%+ of civilizations that existed before the end of the last ice age saw their homelands inundated or were wiped out entirely by tsunamis.

These building projects seem inconceivable to us because of the technology we know to have existed before they were built, but the only places we have been excavating were home to probably less than 10% of the population before that time. That means we are simply digging in the wrong places. It is quite likely, almost guaranteed that civilizations existed prior to the end of the last ice age. The reason we have not found their great cities and technologies is because they lie buried under the sea.

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Puma Punku is still a real head-scratcher.

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I agree. My rant was aimed at the Pyramids, which people believe and parrot bucket-loads of disinformation about.

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the Colosseum is made of concrete.

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The arches and ceilings - but all of the support stones are limestone. Concrete had very recently been invented when they started construction on the Colosseum - they were just learning how to use it and didn't trust it as the sole means of support.

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(And I don't buy that slaves were that dedicated - those things were built by expert craftsmen.)

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thats an old theory that isnt really said anymore. it is believed that people did it because they loved their God(pharaoh) so much.

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One of the things that I truly believe most historians fail to take into account is the effects of the "Great Flood" on ancient civilizations. In the period between 8000 and 7000 BC, see levels rose inundating 200 miles of coastline, often in the span of weeks or months. The Mediterranean Sea, Red Sea, Black Sea, and the Persian Gulf were not seas at that time, they were fertile river valleys. Civilizations tend to spring up in river valleys where game is plentiful and soils are rich in nutrients for cultivation and freshwater is readily available. Note that today, 90% of the world's population lives within 200 miles of the ocean, including the vast majority of our most well developed cities. Using that metric, it is not inconceivable that 90%+ of civilizations that existed before the end of the last ice age saw their homelands inundated or were wiped out entirely by tsunamis. These building projects seem inconceivable to us because of the technology we know to have existed before they were built, but the only places we have been excavating were home to probably less than 10% of the population before that time. That means we are simply digging in the wrong places. It is quite likely, almost guaranteed that civilizations existed prior to the end of the last ice age. The reason we have not found their great cities and technologies is because they lie buried under the sea.

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This X 1,000

There's a reason there's a flood story in every ancient religion/tradition.

The really mind blowing thing is that the "cradle of civilization", Mesopotamia, is located between the Tigris and Euphrates in modern-day Iraq. ~15,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years, there was a *much* larger, much more fertile area that existed south of there at the bottom of what is now the Persian Gulf. It makes sense to me that this area was the center of the civilization whose survivors later limped on and reconstituted further north between the rivers once the gulf was inundated. Their history was lost and we are left with the false understanding that nobody had a civilization until they started one in Mesopotamia. I believe this took place in other areas as well, and what is mistaken as knowledge of or technology from aliens is really just lingering knowledge of pre-flood techniques and histories. There were probably ascetic sects, like monks in the middle ages in Europe, who survived the flood in their mountain monasteries and kept some of this "technology" alive. They'd seem like aliens from above when they hiked down from the mountains in their pre-flood garb and tutored the survivors a generation or two later.

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Really interesting, plus the fact that travel was MUCH slower back then you'd expect even less people to live outside that metric.

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Yet another thing about this idea is that "Ancient Alien Theorists" like to point out the fact that the first civilizations seemed to pop up out of nothing. The Sumerians go from small settlements with rudimentary farming to massive cities of thousands of people complete with kings, gods, temples, massive multi-story high palaces, laws, judges, written language, ect. They argue, "where could this knowledge have come from if not from the sky?" The answer is, the sea. The first Sumerian cities pop up in the centuries immediately following the "Great Flood" in the region that formed the Persian Gulf. It is only logical that the survivors of that great cataclysm (which may have filled the entire gulf in a matter of weeks) would have moved up river and settled on the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates, the same river system they lived on before much of its lower delta was inundated. The answer is that those peoples who survived brought their culture (or at least parts of it) to the people who lived inland and created new civilizations there.

There is little to no archaeological evidence for a seafaring people before the end of the last ice age (yet we know that migrations of peoples MUST have occurred across water ways during the period due to archaeological evidence (arrow points) and genetic markers). That lack of evidence does NOT mean that they did not exist. It simply means that a seafaring civilization has not been discovered seeing as they likely would have inhabited the precise region that was completely inundated by water, an area that until recently was completely unexplored by archaeologists. I firmly believe that as the continental shelves and Old World Seas see greater exploration, we will assuredly uncover evidence of such a civilization that taught those whom we currently regard as "the ancients" much of what they knew and what we are still struggling to understand.