re: An idea for those who feel "oppressed" by the laws of our country

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If my dad drinks uncontrollably as I'm growing up, which he did. It doesn't mean I'm going to turn into an alcoholic (which I haven't) Your second point is what I was trying to get out of you.

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But it does mean you're far more likely to have issues than someone who didn't have an alcoholic father.

Well shite, edited my post but you had already replied.

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cas, don't see that as a direct shot at you, but rather a continuation of my post you replied to. I have a lot of respect for the collective heart and intelligence of the O-T and society as a whole. The inability for many to see the whole picture because they are focusing on particular details regardless the subject is infuriating to me because we have the capacity for so much more if we put our heads together instead of solely using our intellect to strike holes in the arguments of others.

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cas, don't see that as a direct shot at you, but rather a continuation of my post you replied to.

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that's exactly how I took it.

I'm just happy we can come into this and actually have a positive discussion on the topic and try to slowly take away piece by piece from the issues we are facing as a country.

We need to turn them and they and those to We us and our.


Unity is needed and I think educational debate/problem solving is a big ticket

The question now remains how can we fix the problem? Volunteering and helping a child to see the value of an education and the opportunities only goes so far if the idea is squashed at home. Helping parents only goes so far if they see it as you talking down to them, their family/community see it as the person looking down on them, or they don't give a shite just want a handout. Fixing the justice system can only get so much steam before the old guard cries it will lead to the delinquency of our society, or the other extreme starts yammering enough to kill off support.

How can the new generation of ideas point out the problems with the old system while still maintaining that they aren't naive enough to think it's an end all be all, but will still require personal accountability and community/family reform? In the long run it is imperative for us as a society to find a way to bring up the lower class without socialism being implemented or expanded to simply drive down the mean to give the appearance of change. This country has done it before, and we can surely do it again.

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You're not following. You or I can't demand anything. Of course it starts at home. Of course parents of minorities should do a better job. Some do and some don't. But I that is not something we can change. You actually think I'm advocating for someone to continue being a bad parent? Obviously I'm not. I'm just being realistic.

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but your not being realistic at all.

the ONLY SOLUTION starts at home, and you are stating that is simply expecting too much.

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THEN frick ALL THOSE LAZY PARENTS UNWILLING TO SACRIFICE EVERYTHING FOR THEIR CHILDREN. Nothing else should matter in this world, but too many will not do for their kids what their own shitty parents would not do for them.

The cycle CAN BE BROKEN. But it starts with the mirror. If you do not raise your kids properly, it is not my fault.

Yet, the world disagrees.......and does believe it is my fault.....and because of this, ignorant and lazy people use this as a reason not to even try ---- and their poor innocent children suffer ---- and sadly become these same type of parents in their future. Rinse and repeat....

I truly wish we could take all of these unfortunate kids from the parents who use them as nothing but a meal ticket. I would donate more money per year than most people make to government run orphanages or boarding schools, etc.

I give absolutely ZERO frickS about adults, but the children are innocent, get them AWAY from the toxic parent(s) before they get poisoned.