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re: An idea for those who feel "oppressed" by the laws of our country
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:37 pm to cas4t
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:37 pm to cas4t
So we should be more sympathetic for people growing up in rough neighborhoods, even though they have no desire to fix or change their situation?
Which leads back to the question, why do people want to or feel " oppressed"
It's become obvious that it isn't because they want to use it as motivation, you've made that clear through your answers.
We are getting closer to figuring it out
Which leads back to the question, why do people want to or feel " oppressed"
It's become obvious that it isn't because they want to use it as motivation, you've made that clear through your answers.
We are getting closer to figuring it out
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:39 pm to cas4t
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Instead of just blaming black people, try to understand why these things are the way they are. Ask questions. The more people do that, things will change.
I don't blame black People, I blame individuals.
I don't blame poor kids for having it rough, I blame their fricked up parents. Maybe instead of trying to find institutional problems, some of these "leaders" should cut to the chase and blame individuals.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:40 pm to cas4t
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try to look at it out of a different lens, and realize that not every situation is what it seems. Instead of just blaming black people, try to understand why these things are the way they are. Ask questions. The more people do that, things will change.
This is the typical response from the left. Sorry, but me understanding why a certain group does something doesn't do anything to stop them from acting the way they do. They have to help themselves or they'll continue their death spiral.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:40 pm to upgrayedd
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I agree we need serious prison reform. But prison isn't the only place where people pick up the idea that murder is a viable solution to conflict.
No doubt. But it'd be a damn good start, considering 1 in 3 black males are in prison at some point.
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And you, I, or a million government programs can't force them to break that cycle
I disagree. There are a hand full of schools in Nashville now that have used state money to really turn things around. Kids take interest when they have a nice school, state of the art technology. Intellectual support and resources is needed and needed at an early age. It has been done in numerous areas and has worked.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:41 pm to cas4t
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I'm not making excuses for him, because I'm a good example of someone who got the frick out of some really really bad situations. But it took a lot of help.
And who got you out of those situations?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:43 pm to upgrayedd
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This is the typical response from the left. Sorry, but me understanding why a certain group does something doesn't do anything to stop them from acting the way they do. They have to help themselves or they'll continue their death spiral
Correct. The low expectations they have for these groups is pretty shitty.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:43 pm to cas4t
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I disagree. There are a hand full of schools in Nashville now that have used state money to really turn things around. Kids take interest when they have a nice school, state of the art technology. Intellectual support and resources is needed and needed at an early age. It has been done in numerous areas and has worked
NJ started spending upwards of 30k per student per year and their scores didn't improve. Money isn't always the solution.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:43 pm to upgrayedd
You understanding it is the first step in change. It's like alcoholism. You can't fix something until you identify the problem. I promise, your "well there aint shite I can do to help these people" damn sure isn't helping anything either.
You do't have to. By all means, us on "the left" will try to make up for your lack of give a frick.
You do't have to. By all means, us on "the left" will try to make up for your lack of give a frick.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:44 pm to upgrayedd
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NJ started spending upwards of 30k per student per year and their scores didn't improve. Money isn't always the solution.
well it has worked where I live. I don't know anything about NJ. I'd like to read what you're talking about though.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Correct. The low expectations they have for these groups is pretty shitty.
How do you figure this? I'm the one working with these groups because I do have high expectations for them.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:48 pm to upgrayedd
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And who got you out of those situations?
Honestly? A step mom helped me along to a certain point and then it was me.
Yall are being simple minded. Pointing out inherent flaws in our system is not making excuses for people.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:49 pm to cas4t
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You understanding it is the first step in change. It's like alcoholism. You can't fix something until you identify the problem. I promise, your "well there aint shite I can do to help these people" damn sure isn't helping anything either.
Ok. Bob is an alcoholic. I can tell Bob to stop drinking, I can bring him to AA 3 times a week, I can put him in rehab for 8 weeks, and I can give him a support sysrem. But, when he eventually goes home at night, he's got to make that choice to lay off the bottle.
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You do't have to. By all means, us on "the left" will try to make up for your lack of give a frick.
The folks on the left misconstrue their low expectation, soft racism, blame gaming, and lack of accountability as sympathy. They're hurting poor people and minorities for not expecting anything of them and subsidizing their poor life decisions.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:49 pm to upgrayedd
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NJ started spending upwards of 30k per student per year and their scores didn't improve. Money isn't always the solution
Same in Ak. And they're begging for more money.
Secondary schools are day care for some of the population.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:49 pm to cas4t
The problem is a societal problem as well. The three biggest factors that can be used to determine one's fate and chances of bettering oneself are: a HS diploma, nuclear family, child after marriage. Statistics show that neighborhoods/communities/towns with the lowest rates in these categories will have: higher crime, more people on welfare, lower life expectancy, and far less opportunity. These stats are the problem and have no bias to race or gender. These stats are far more accurate than many claims of racism or sexism. The fact that communities regardless of race as a whole DGAF about changing these stats is the problem. The white man or man in general doesn't have to try and keep anyone down when they are doing enough of that on their own.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:49 pm to public_enemy
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So we should be more sympathetic for people growing up in rough neighborhoods, even though they have no desire to fix or change their situation?
so you think all people from the projects have no desire to get out?
I never thought I'd interact on this subject with someone so out of touch. Seriously, you couldn't be further off base.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:50 pm to cas4t
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Honestly? A step mom helped me along to a certain point and then it was me.
Thanks for proving my point. Your help came from within a family unit, not the government, and you took it from there. I'm happy for you.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:52 pm to Elton John
what is with the pathetic mom and sister jokes?
FFS people, mom jokes are middle school level, why the frick are they almost always one of the first responses?
FFS people, mom jokes are middle school level, why the frick are they almost always one of the first responses?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:55 pm to upgrayedd
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Ok. Bob is an alcoholic. I can tell Bob to stop drinking, I can bring him to AA 3 times a week, I can put him in rehab for 8 weeks, and I can give him a support sysrem. But, when he eventually goes home at night, he's got to make that choice to lay off the bottle.
Completely agree. But this is not how prison works. Prison is fend for yourself, probably have to join a gang or some shite to survive.
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The folks on the left misconstrue their low expectation, soft racism, blame gaming, and lack of accountability as sympathy. They're hurting poor people and minorities for not expecting anything of them and subsidizing their poor life decisions.
this is hysterical. I chair a non profit that works with homeless families, most of which are minorites. I could tell you 25 stories off the top of my head that are huge success stories. Helping uneducated adults with their resume', transportation for kids to and from school, providing shelter, teaching financial literacy, local job placement...etc Just a bunch of lefties making the world worse
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:56 pm to upgrayedd
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Thanks for proving my point. Your help came from within a family unit, not the government, and you took it from there. I'm happy for you.
You do realize I am the complete an utter exception, right? Or are you going to pretend to know me? I'm telling you I was very lucky.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:01 pm to cas4t
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Completely agree. But this is not how prison works. Prison is fend for yourself, probably have to join a gang or some shite to survive.
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I'm talking about the poor/AA community in general, not prison
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this is hysterical. I chair a non profit that works with homeless families, most of which are minorites. I could tell you 25 stories off the top of my head that are huge success stories. Helping uneducated adults with their resume', transportation for kids to and from school, providing shelter, teaching financial literacy...etc
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about the folks on the left that constantly blame every problem in a community on some sort of systemic, faceless, Illuminati plot to oppress people. You just said your success started at home.
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