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re: American reporter Steven Sotloff beheaded by ISIS

Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by Carville
Sunshine, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5321 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

@AkhbarMujahid3: The story: 20+ #US Black Hawks full of navy seals seen by source in #Turkey flying towards #Syria'n border. This after hostage execution #IS
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71894 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

The man has a life


no he doesn't

he's the ruler of the free world
Posted by Tear It Up
The Deadening
Member since May 2005
13889 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:14 pm to
Are the Seals attacking ISIS positions near the Turkish border?

ISIS Twitter

Also, can anyone figure out what this map means?

LINK
Posted by The Cool No 9
70816
Member since Jan 2014
10971 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:14 pm to
The administration has been reportedly working on careful strategy to implement very soon across Syria/Iraq as I understand. We know this is going on here, and hope we act with efficiency and stop these monsters asap.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
71915 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

I'm little horrified by this, but in terms of it's effectiveness I can't argue against it.

ETA: What you have to ask yourself though, is it OK to kill innocent people to eliminate a threat to yourself.



Good question. The answer though is simple but not easy. Either we accept massive loss of life over there, or be prepared for ISIS to grow and with that whatever loss of life results from their growth. The math is simple but brutal. It's a matter of either them or us. Which do you prefer?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71894 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:17 pm to
I wish we didn't know about these Special Ops missions. Having it broadcasted on TV really kind of blows their cover.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
21947 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:20 pm to
why has no one hacked isis twitter feed w ghey pron?
Posted by Carville
Sunshine, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5321 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:21 pm to

This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
113826 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

What you have to ask yourself though, is it OK to kill innocent people to eliminate a threat to yourself.


What you have to tell yourself though, is "better them than me".
Posted by Carville
Sunshine, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5321 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

I wish we didn't know about these Special Ops missions. Having it broadcasted on TV really kind of blows their cover.
The first reports were from observers in Turkey. Can't really control that.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71894 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

What you have to tell yourself though, is "better them than me".


maybe "better them than my family"
Posted by terd ferguson
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:25 pm to
Yeah I guess them too...
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71894 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:25 pm to
oh I didn't realize that

I just feel like the media nowadays can really make a Special Ops soldier's job even harder in situations like this, where every news outlet on the planet is covering it 24/7.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71894 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:26 pm to
better them than me is true, but it made me feel selfish
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:37 pm to
This is the sad truth Darth. I cringe at the thought of ending hundreds of thousands of lives, including innocent children, but what other option is there at this point? We have reached a time in history where the ultimate "re-set" button needs to be pushed. If I thought that we, along with other nations, could put 500,000 soldiers in the region and affect a total crushing assault on them I would endorse that before a nuclear option. I just think that would bring other nations into the fight and result in WWIII and galvanize another generation to carry on the fight. As cringe worthy as it seems....we should attack the area with the smallest and least destructive nuclear weapon that we currently have. If the first one doesn't end this nightmare, continue until it does.

However,the scariest part of doing that is the precedent it would set for other nations with nuclear options. Russia could begin to "handle" their regional interests in a like manner. It is a messy situation. Again, I would prefer if we could go in with massive force , no holds barred, and just lay waste to them in the largest crushing maneuver that the modern world has ever seen. At this point, I feel that the sacrifice is worth it to end the threat to humankind. I just don't know if that would even be enough.
Posted by RabidTiger
Member since Nov 2009
3127 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:42 pm to
Nuclear weapons CANNOT get rid of radical Islam.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

we should attack the area with the smallest and least destructive nuclear weapon that we currently have.


This is total and complete insanity, and a very dangerous thought to be lightly tossing out on a discussion board.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

The easy answer is we "nuked" them. And while we did, that's an oversimplification of what we actually did. What made Japan finally surrender is that we made them understand that if they continued to fight, their entire civilization faced total annihilation.


This is a contrived argument and a twisting of fact to fit this argument.

The reason we dropped the bomb on the Japanese is because of the consensus estimates for loss of life were we to invade the island. There is no corollary here in relation to ISIS. Until there is solid evidence of ISIS's capability to cause massive numbers of US casualties, the nuclear option is and should not be on the table.

In fact, absent solid evidence that ISIS has developed nuclear capability, we would never consider it.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:52 pm to
Why is it dangerous to toss out on a message board?

And, it was not done lightly. I qualified that.

Lightly would be the previous ones that said

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Perhaps you see the difference?
Posted by partsman103
Member since Sep 2008
8605 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:52 pm to
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You know I'm a big history nut. One thing that the study of history has taught me is that to defeat an enemy you have to break their will to fight. For some enemies this means make them see that continuing to fight will only result in their death. Well that won't work with ISIS because they actively seek death. They think that dying for their god is something to strive for. So what are we to do?


Find the identity of ISIS perps and start eliminating their family members. In other words...go Mafia on them.
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