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re: American Pilots WWII vs Modern

Posted on 10/27/19 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 4:40 pm to
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And I'll bet that I could beat up 100 six year old kids if they all ganged up on me.


what if one of those six year olds was a chimpanzee?
Posted by KirkLazarus
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 4:48 pm to
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Champagne


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Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:08 pm to
To make things a bit more equitable, let's say we put the modern pilots and the WW2 jocks in F-86 Sabers.

By the way, 777, Vermont Garrison flew in WW2, Korea and Viet Nam.

That's a stud.
Posted by Drew Orleans
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:11 pm to
And a polar bear
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:12 pm to
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By the way, 777, Vermont Garrison flew in WW2, Korea and Viet Nam.


there were quite a few, Robin Olds was probably the most notable, credited with four kills but I know a few River Rats that flew with him that imply he made ace and more in VN, included in the first few POWs of the war were some WWII aces, man that double sucked
Posted by LSUwag
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:13 pm to
My oldest Uncle flew a B17 in WWII. That man was a certified badass in life. He was not well educated but, absolutely fearless. I’d have to do with the Greatest Generation.

He ended up working at NASA in the early space program. Something in flight support.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:16 pm to
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My oldest Uncle flew a B17 in WWII. That man was a certified badass in life.


that generation just did what they had to, so many great stories of a kid drafted off a farm, going to war as a pilot with minimum training, getting the job done then coming back home and picking up where they left off, and of course many didn't come back
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:26 pm to
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Chuck Yeager in 2019, growing up in WV without a college degree, is driving a truck or working construction.
Chuck Yeager in 2019 was not skipping college.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:32 pm to
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what if one of those six year olds was a chimpanzee?


Any chimpanzee at 6 yrs old would beat me to death.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:35 pm to
Olds never made it to Korea.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:39 pm to
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that generation just did what they had to, so many great stories of a kid drafted off a farm, going to war as a pilot with minimum training, getting the job done then coming back home and picking up where they left off, and of course many didn't come back





Family friend was a P38 pilot in the same squadron that got Yamamoto (he wasn't on the mission.) Pretty sure he never piloted a plane again after he left the service.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:42 pm to
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Olds never made it to Korea.


he was married to a movie star that had high level political connections that were linked to the DoD(or whatever it was titled back then,), she used those connections to prevent him being ordered there, on several occasions, that's his version and I believe him, he was an awesome man and a fighter pilot's fighter pilot don't recall saying he did go, btw
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 5:48 pm to
Robin Olds is one of my heroes. Another is BG Bud Day. LINK. Dude survived an ejection with no chute.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:02 pm to
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he was married to a movie star that had high level political connections that were linked to the DoD(or whatever it was titled back then,), she used those connections to prevent him being ordered there, on several occasions, that's his version and I believe him


That's the version in his book, and I believe it. He kept applying, and kept getting turned down.

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don't recall saying he did go, btw

My misunderstanding, then.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:12 pm to
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Chuck Yeager in 2019 was not skipping college.

I don't think Chuck Yeager in 2019 is graduating from college. He makes absolutely no bones in his autobiography that he isn't the best student, particularly if the subject matter doesn't interest him. It's not that he isn't intelligent and sharp as a tack, but his mind just doesn't work in a way that equates to educational success. For Yeager to graduate from test pilot school in the 40's took a herculean effort from another pilot named Jack Ridley (who was in the same test pilot class as Yeager, but was also a hell of an engineer and served as the X-1 project's test engineer) to get Yeager up to snuff on the technical portions of the material. Even then, with subject matter Yeager loves, it was dicey for him to pass. In addition, the Air Corps/Air Force was already drastically changing from its WWII footing and focus; there were people very high up the chain of command who wanted him booted because he didn't have a college degree whether or not he passed the test pilot school exams, war record and piloting skills be damned. It required an apoplectic general letting a colonel or two know, with zero uncertainty, just which of them had the bigger and hairier nuts to keep Yeager in and get him graduated from test pilot school.

There is just no way Yeager makes it to be Yeager today because the college requirement would torpedo him. He was an unbelievably remarkable talent who lived at just the right time with just the right changes going on in the aviation world (and the plain old world) to allow his skills to carry him farther than his education could.
This post was edited on 10/27/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:39 pm to
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Are you talkin' to me?

Are YOU talkin' to ME?
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 8:10 pm to
I'll bet that you can answer your own question, if you give it some thought.

Let's take the F86 Sabre. The USAF used it in late 1949. The USAF was still using it in 1964.

Tell us: Which group of pilots would win the duel if they are all flying the 1949 jet?

Which group would win if they are all flying the 1964 jet?

Why?

Posted by KirkLazarus
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 8:28 pm to
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Champagne


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Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 8:51 pm to
You're too stupid to answer my question, huh?

You want to ask questions but you're too stupid and ignorant to answer any questions, huh?

Posted by KirkLazarus
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:02 pm to
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Champagne


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