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re: America is ‘going broke slowly’ says J.P. Morgan, as national debt balloons

Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:06 am to
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
6428 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:06 am to
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Why?

Because it's a bloated, wasteful, inefficient, disorganized turd of an organization and 95% of what they deliver is unnecessary junk mail.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:07 am to
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America is ‘going broke slowly’ says J.P. Morgan

No shite
Posted by TigerMeister
North shore
Member since Nov 2009
2446 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:19 am to
You do realize that it doesn’t use tax money, right?
Posted by sosaysmorvant
River Parishes, LA
Member since Feb 2008
1466 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:20 am to
Checks out. I'm around 5 years from retirement, so the collapse should happen right before I can hang up the cleats. FML
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
6428 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:34 am to
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You do realize that it doesn’t use tax money, right?

Yes, in theory they are self-funded but in reality they have been bailed out with billions of tax dollars.
Posted by jscrims
Lost
Member since May 2008
3754 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:43 am to
America goes broke, the whole world goes broke. We’ve been subsidizing the world’s bullshite for decades. When that stops, everyone else in the world is just as screwed as we are.
Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
1691 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:56 am to
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Yes, in theory they are self-funded but in reality they have been bailed out with billions of tax dollars.
exactly and others like to ignore the retirement benefits. Ya think your stamps pay for those?
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 10:57 am
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
25367 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:59 am to
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America goes broke, the whole world goes broke. We’ve been subsidizing the world’s bullshite for decades. When that stops, everyone else in the world is just as screwed as we are.

Nah. The money we send doesnt go to the civilians of other countries. It goes to corrupt officials who then give kickbacks to our corrupt officials.

Besides weapons. We do spend a lot on weapons for other countries.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 11:01 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60755 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:01 am to
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Think of a medium size box from Amazon that can be delivered free in two days
my wife thinks it is “free” too.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
106320 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:04 am to
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Because it's a bloated, wasteful, inefficient, disorganized turd of an organization and 95% of what they deliver is unnecessary junk mail.


As someone in my 40s, I know plenty of folks who get their medication via ground USPS.

And no, UPS and FedEx could not handle the influx of deliveries, especially in rural areas if USPS didn't exist.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37387 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:07 am to
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As someone in my 40s, I know plenty of folks who get their medication via ground USPS.


USPS is one of the great American successes and every American pays like 35 bucks for it plus their direct cost.

Should it be cleaned up? Absolutely, just like every American public entity, but it going away would be a disgrace
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
32661 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:07 am to
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Eliminate the USPS all together.


Take a look at this graph of Government expenditures and tell me where it make sense to make cuts that will make a difference?



Edit to add: "Health" = Medicare/Medicaid.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 11:09 am
Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
1691 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:08 am to
It will get rid of lib voters on the inside. lol

USPS has 533,000 career employees as of 2024. USPS also has 106,000 non-career employees (i.e. seasonal/temporary) in 2024.

The number of civilian federal employees outside USPS is about 2.35 million (executive branch civilian roles, excluding USPS).

Can you do a pie chart on this? : :
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:10 am to
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Take a look at this graph of Government expenditures and tell me where it make sense to make cuts that will make a difference?



By this statement, you also believe adding programs that only cost a few billion shouldnt worry anyone.

USPS is still viable but will not be much longer. The days of paper mail or short lived.

Posted by Tenfold
Member since Mar 2023
339 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:11 am to
History has a great tendency to repeat itself.
Inflation, Healthcare costs, consumer debt and entitlements will cause another Great Depression by early 2030s.
ITR economics does a great job explaining the outcomes. They have been stating this since the 90’s. I would highly recommend subscribing to their newsletter and services.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
58962 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:13 am to
I'm shocked I tell ya
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
32661 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:14 am to
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By this statement, you also believe adding programs that only cost a few billion shouldnt worry anyone.


Not at all. The point of that graph is 2/3 of the federal budget is Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and the Military. Until we get the intestinal fortitude to reduce those programs, we aren't fixing the federal budget.

Now if you look at the age demographics of the country, part of this "problem" will take care of itself as the baby boomers pass on. But there is going to be a bump of pain given the size of that demographic that is going to be retiring in the next 5-10 years.

This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 11:15 am
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
6428 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:15 am to
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And no, UPS and FedEx could not handle the influx of deliveries,

How do you know this?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
106320 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:17 am to
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How do you know this?


Because it's been discussed before.

And I live in a city where UPS has WorldHub, know plenty of folks who work for UPS. They can barely handle the delivery traffic they have now in peak season.

ETA: There's a reason for certain packages and deliveries they defer to USPS after a certain point in the process. USPS is more equipped to deliver in rural areas as well.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 11:19 am
Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere
Member since Nov 2021
4682 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:19 am to
Most of our debt is to The Fed or due to The Fed. The Fed sells our debt to other foreign entities, so when you see charts that have foreign owned debt its because it originated with The Fed and they sold it.


TLDR The problem is The Fed
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