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re: Amazon's Baton Rouge DC to be completed by August '22; Demo of Cortana to start in May '21

Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:41 pm to
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Doesn’t matter that you disagree. They’ve done this before. You haven’t.

Look up Randal Park Mall in Ohio. It went from an abandoned shopping center to an Amazon Fulfillment center in less than 18 months.



OK, so which is it? 18 months, 16 months, or 12 months?

This article says Something starts in May 2021 and ends in August 2022.

Guess what, today is Mar 11th, 2021 and the first brick hasn't been demolished yet.

Like I said, come back and eat your crow in August 2022.

BTW The Randall Park project begun demolition in 2014. The Amazon facility didn't open until September of 2018.



Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:47 pm to
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This article says Something starts in May 2021 and ends in August 2022.


That something is demo of the old mall. It starts in May 2021.

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Guess what, today is Mar 11th, 2021 and the first brick hasn't been demolished yet.


Because it’s not May yet, genius.

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Like I said, come back and eat your crow in August 2022.


How long do you think it takes to build a giant warehouse? I bet Amazon is closer to their target top off than they are to your swinging wild arse guess.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 9:50 pm
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8222 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:51 pm to
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Because it’s not May yet, genius.

How long do you think it takes to build a giant warehouse?



Dude get a grip.

Time and money are interchangeable commodities.

Amazon isn't going to pay what it costs to demo and build that facility to be open by August 2022.

We'll see though right?

You sound a lot like other people I know in the PM world in construction who think saying something makes it so.

Posted by trussthetruzz
Member since Sep 2020
9380 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:57 pm to
So will this bring same day delivery to BR?
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22363 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:02 pm to
Great for the area, hiring needs to be selective.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:03 pm to
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You sound a lot like other people I know in the PM world in construction who think saying something makes it so.


I’ve had the misfortune of dealing with clients just like Amazon.

They have massive plans to expand across the globe and everyone wants a piece of that business. And they have absolutely no problem squeezing suppliers and contractors. If they want this thing built by August of next year, they will probably get it or come damn close to it.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8222 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:09 pm to
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I’ve had the misfortune of dealing with clients just like Amazon.

They have massive plans to expand across the globe and everyone wants a piece of that business. And they have absolutely no problem squeezing suppliers and contractors. If they want this thing built by August of next year, they will probably get it or come damn close to it.



Yeah and Yates was going to hit their target goal of building Cabela's in Gonzales, LA in record time too.

You're backtracking already. "Come close to it" and "topoff date" aren't the same as being open and occupied in August of 2022.

You're not the only one who has been in the PM game on here. The goalposts constantly move to fit the timeline or P6 schedule.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:12 pm to
And what’s your prediction? Still afraid to type it out?
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 10:14 pm
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8222 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:20 pm to
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And what’s your prediction? Still afraid to type it out?




What would I be afraid of we are just two idiots bantering on an internet website on a Thursday night?

It looks to me like 3-4 months of demo and a solid 1 year of construction and sitework and then 1-2 months of equipment fitting and startup prior to beginning operations.

I say 18 months to 20 months just guessing before they are in operation.

Keep in mind the interruptions in supply chains from COVID don't just affect lumber and IC chips. Shortages in steel and cement are likely in the future.

Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:26 pm to
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I say 18 months to 20 months just guessing before they are in operation.
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In operation is different from completing the building.

I think it will take much, much longer to get fully staffed and to build an inventory than to complete the building.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49661 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:26 pm to
This isn’t Cabelas. This is Amazon and they make Wal Mart contractors look like house builders.

It will be ready because contrary to what you believe they do have the money to make it happen. They also build it upfront on construction cost and allow the contractors to include the Dollar values in their contract. They also have extreme early completion clauses that double the extreme liquidated damages clause.

They also have been know to bring in other contractors at their own expense in order to keep a project on schedule.

They are unlike anything ever seen in commercial construction. They set a target and they hit it because their supply chain depends on it and it is growing massively daily.

Bookmark it. I’ll put my money on Amazon.

And the existing Cortana has no lead or asbestos that has to be abated. It’s completely general construction debris although some will be recycled. The only asbestos in the building was the base flashing on the main facility roof which was removed when a new roof was installed around 2000, most floors are terrazzo and no lead paint was used in the original construction.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:30 pm to
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Amazon isn't going to pay what it costs to demo and build that facility to be open by August 2022.


Wouldn’t be so sure about that. They are desperately trying to back fill those gaps in their supply chain all over the world.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:35 pm to
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They are unlike anything ever seen in commercial construction. They set a target and they hit it because their supply chain depends on it and it is growing massively daily.

Bookmark it. I’ll put my money on Amazon.


I agree. This isn’t the first time they’ve done this. They know what they are doing.

The sooner the better. Louisiana can use the jobs.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:36 pm to
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New Orleans and Baton Rouge already have DC’s for last mile service (Siegen and Elmwood).


That doesn't conflict with the concept of having fulfillment centers in NOLA, as well.

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The massive 3,000,000 square foot building in the works for Cortana is the regional fulfillment center for the gulf coast between Mobile and Lake Charles


Mobile already has a fulfillment center that stocks the same type of items. The major hub that serves LC is near Houston. Eventually LC will have a warehouse, too. They will be everywhere.

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The fulfillment center servicing Amazon DC’s in the New Orleans area will be BTR1 (Cortana).


For now. It has been reported that they plan on having big fulfillment centers in every city. This is all necessary to kill brick and mortar. Brick and mortar, and small businesses will use Amazon as a selling and warehousing platform in order to survive. Amazon's distribution mesh is still in its infancy. They are taking over.

Check this article out. It's 1.5 years old but still relevant as to why they were targeting Cortana Mall, and old malls in general. LINK

This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 11:05 pm
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:45 pm to
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That doesn't conflict with the concept of having fulfillment centers in NOLA, as well.



I hate to see the condition of the bricks and mortar stores if the fulfillment center at Cortana becomes too small to handle regional demand for consumer goods. Yikes.

WTH are we going to do with all of that empty retail space?
Posted by lucaslsu
LSU!
Member since Oct 2007
8633 posts
Posted on 3/12/21 at 7:36 am to
Don’t forget the LBP and PCBs in paint ...
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 3/12/21 at 7:55 am to
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The facility will be more than 2.9 million square feet—more than twice the size of the mall—and is expected to eventually employ as many as 3,500 full- and part-time workers.



So roughly 1700 employee parking spaces and two shifts. I guess these places are 24 hours. Makes sense that they are estimating up to 3500 employees especially if they include truck/van drivers, IT employees, and support staff.

I haven't seen many multi-story warehouses in this country that were built in the last 100 years. Sears had those crosstown buildings in St. Louis, Chicago, Memphis, and Minneapolis to support their mail order business...but most warehouses in the US now are located on the outskirts of suburban areas and are typically single level.

Amazon's Cortana location will have 5 levels.

BTW - if any of you haven't seen the automation that goes into an Amazon fulfillment center, you should youtube it. There are some really interesting robotics and inventory management systems going on in those places. It's like one giant consumer goods dispenser with employees picking, packing, and loading from containers driven by automated pallets and robots. The one at Cortana will likely have every tool available to Amazon. It's going to be one of the largest in the world.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 3/12/21 at 7:58 am to
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Eventually it'll just be for the Baton Rouge area.


I think the one off Siegen is to support Amazon customers the Baton Rouge area. The one at Cortana feeds facilities like that.

If Amazon goes the way of Sears in 50 years, I wonder how a 3,000,000 square foot fulfillment center would get redeveloped.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41087 posts
Posted on 3/12/21 at 8:17 am to
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I haven't seen many multi-story warehouses in this country that were built in the last 100 years. Sears had those crosstown buildings in St. Louis, Chicago, Memphis, and Minneapolis to support their mail order business...but most warehouses in the US now are located on the outskirts of suburban areas and are typically single level.

Amazon's Cortana location will have 5 levels.


Is it 5 levels... or is it 5 stories tall? Meaning just one really tall level?

There's an old Ford plant in Arabi that is two levels and has an elevator that was used to get vehicles between floors. I think they would start assembly on second floor, drop it down to the first, and then finish on first floor and roll out door.
Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3761 posts
Posted on 3/12/21 at 8:22 am to
A lot of good memories at that mall. Getting to the age where none of the places from my childhood exist anymore

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