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re: Almost 20,000 students ask to have student debts erased

Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:32 pm to
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2. I do not think students created this problem but the fact that so many are willing to go along with it only means the problem won't be fixed anytime soon. Simply put, as long as there's a line of people willing to fork over to colleges what colleges demand for their product (namely a diploma) then the costs will never come down.



this is a new problem. An 18 year old straight out of high school may or may not understand that the fed controls interest rates. This is not something that is always disclosed, and often times a student loan has the word "fixed rate" associated with it, when in fact, it is not fixed at all.

No one is saying you shouldn't pay your debts. The point is that if you enter into a contract based on fraudulent or intentionally misleading information, then that changes the situation. Especially when you are misleading someone into thinking they are making the appropriate decision because they want to further their education and learn a skill that can benefit society.

That is the ultimate con.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37686 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:33 pm to
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Students shouldn't be extorted because they are at "college.



how the frick are you being "extorted"? Did Tony Soprano hold a gun to your head and make you take out a loan? Its your fault stupid. Don't want to have debt, don't borrow any money.
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:33 pm to
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what a privilege to be in that position.


I agree. My parents sacrificed a lot to provide that for me. I'm doing the same for my kids. It makes me sad that so many parents are too selfish to help advance their kids' lives. That still doesn't excuse the reckless path of massive student loan debt.
Posted by Boxcar
Richmond VA
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:34 pm to
Im texting dumbass. I didnt attack you but since you want to play that game I was hot boxing your mom while doing it. douchefag
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71881 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:35 pm to
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My parents paid for college


you should recuse yourself from this thread. I'm happy for you. But it's hard to talk about a process with someone who has never been involved in that process.
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:36 pm to
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douchefag


Lunchbox is always a bit of a hothead in these threads. As is Darth.
Posted by Boxcar
Richmond VA
Member since Mar 2016
900 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:37 pm to
I wish I was nearby so I could put my foot up your stupid arse.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138118 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:38 pm to
cost of all that it takes to attend university seems to be a lot more now

i am glad that i took out loans. otherwise, i would have lived at home and gone to USL

loans allowed me to pay my bills and study during college. otherwise, i might have failed out by trying to hold down an unskilled full-time job while attending classes at the same time.
Posted by Boxcar
Richmond VA
Member since Mar 2016
900 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:38 pm to
I see that. With your user name you must be ok. I own property a couple miles from Cades over in Wears.
Posted by Louie T
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:38 pm to
They act like the same person, which makes it even more comical.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91271 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:40 pm to
Student loan debt is a huge issue but these kind of charts are misleading AF:



That is federally owned debt only, and the SIGNIFICANT spike occurred because the federal government ended federally subsidized private loans and went to a pure direct loan model. Overall student debt has risen steadily for decades of course, but the federal government took on a huge chunk of it directly beginning in 2010 or so.
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:40 pm to
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you should recuse yourself from this thread.


I've never played D1 college football either. Yet I still have the audacity to post on a sports board too. I'm a pretty smart guy, I can figure out things I haven't actually done before. I'm also genuinely curious about where this complete reversal of thinking between generational groups comes from. I'm trying to understand rather than just blindly hate. It is pretty challenging sometimes though.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71881 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:43 pm to
I personally don't believe there are many lessons to be learned in working that bullshite college job, except for that you should be in college, becuase you hate that job. I waited tables and learned about 0 skills besides how to deal with dumbass people, which can be learned in any other aspect of life.

My college jobs aren't even on my resume'. I have friends who never held a job in college, and they turned out fine and have nice careers. The "learn how to work while on college" is an antiquated line of thinking and overrated. College should be work and you can learn work ethic through studying regularly and managing your free time with school work. That's the point.

anyways
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71881 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:45 pm to
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I've never played D1 college football either. Yet I still have the audacity to post on a sports board too.


I'm sure you can't speak on how recruitment works for a D1 athlete, or what it's like to balance a D1 schedule with school.

Yes, you went to college and understand how loans work. But without being involved in the actual process of applying for a loan, attempting to understand your contract, dealing with financial aid and the idiots they employ, etc..you just don't get it. You can try, but some things can only be learned through experience. Just be happy you didn't have to because you had good parents.

I'll be the first to say I was absolutely mislead and absolutely had to deal with someone who knew less than I did at times within the financial aid department. I could have done more, and probably should have. But I didn't understand things at 18 that I do now. I'm still going to pay my loans, because I can.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 12:48 pm
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:46 pm to
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The "learn how to work while on college" is an antiquated line of thinking and overrated.


Yet another example of rejecting what has worked perfectly for a very long time before you Earth-shakers showed up to reinvent the wheel.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91271 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:47 pm to
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And they approved those hikes because they knew that every May a fresh crop of idiots would come out of high school and be willing to pay it. And they'll keep on hiking those prices up until they finally reach a level people are unwilling to pay.

You see, the funny thing about the free market is the owner of a product will always charge the maximum for their goods or service the market will support. Once the price of their goods or services moves beyond what the market will support, that owner will either have to lower their price or go out of business.


You are 100% right and 100% wrong in the same post. Congrats.

The market will not find equilibrium until it crashes because the people taking on the absurd tuition rate hikes are not the ones having to pay those costs. This is not a free-market problem in the slightest - this is what happens when the federal government turns on the monetary faucet. It was a huge issue in the housing market crash and it is again with the student debt bubble.

In the simplest terms think of it like a credit card vs. a cash purchase. You're more inclined to buy shite you don't need at prices you can't afford if you're allowed to pay it back over time. If you have to go directly into your checking account all of a sudden you don't need 4 new polo shirts. The biggest difference is that instead of paying interest based on your creditworthiness, the federal government blindly gives out the money regardless of your ability to pay it back.

When money comes easy it goes easy. Millenials are spending it and every generation older than them keeps the money coming - sort of a chicken or the egg scenario.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138118 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:48 pm to
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Yet another example of rejecting what has worked perfectly for a very long time before you Earth-shakers showed up to reinvent the wheel.
As I mentioned before, I would like to see a charting of cost of higher ed vs mean salary
Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:49 pm to
I get the generational changes that occur but things just seem to be flying down the hill.

My Mother paid what she could, I got some scholarship money, and I worked part-time during college. I don't understand why these folks rack up such debt. It must be the divorce rate, absent Father's, global warming, ethanol....the movement to shitty country music maybe?
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
38790 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:49 pm to
I was having trouble finding a job the last semester of college. I decided to start looking into learning another trade/skill that would look good on my resume.

Luckily for me, I received an offer letter the day before graduation and it wasn't necessary.

You aren't guaranteed anything life.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464951 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:49 pm to
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Are you seriously going to sit here and act like you had it all figured out at 18?

i was smart enough at 18 to understand that going to an elite university at $30-40k/year was too expensive of a choice when i had an OK-average university offering to pay me to go there
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