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re: Alex Jones ordered to pay Sandy Hook parents more than $4M

Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16426 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:32 pm to
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Yes. And I don’t think it’s very subjective at all given what’s been presented. Sandy Hook as a conspiracy theory wasn’t widely pushed by any other major outlet or talking head. Jones went all in.
Were the harassers directly held responsible for their actions.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283387 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:32 pm to
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Alex Jones knows full well the power he has to provoke action by the loonier fringes of his audience.


I agree. I just don't see Jones alone in this category. The entire industry is self promoting yellow journalism.

Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
40702 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:34 pm to
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NONE of these ignorant Zombies will answer the bell on "Defamation" specifics


BluegrassBelle laid it out pretty well.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54697 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:36 pm to
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Eh, this is the bullshite part. Very subjective, the alleged harassers were under Jones’ direction?
Jones was given multiple opportunities to defend himself and force the Plaintiffs to prove every element of their claims with a preponderance of the evidence, but he refused and allowed himself to get defaulted. Who knows, had he defended the case he might have been successful. He didn’t and he wasn’t, so here we are with people who don’t understand this case or the law surrounding it putting forth a bunch of lame deflections and defenses based mostly on political tribalism.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:40 pm to
Point #1: WERE the alleged harassers under Jones’ direction? YES or NO?

"Influence" -- direct(ion) or otherwise -- is a very relative, spurrilous legal claim. Moreover, every person of earth can technically be said to "influence" the behavior and opinion of others.

Point #2:

You claimed, "It was not a hoax with actors."

Proven: CRISIS ACTOR WERE INVOLVED AT THE SITE OF THE EVENT.

Ignorance of the facts of the matter is no excuse for a poorly constructed analysis of the event and case against AJ.

Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54697 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:46 pm to
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Proven: CRISIS ACTOR WERE INVOLVED AT THE SITE OF THE EVENT.
Have you reordered your supplements yet?
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16426 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:47 pm to
shite like this judgement seems to be setting or maintaining dangerous precedent. Might be media influence (affecting my read) but such decisions seem to be decided along political lines.
This post was edited on 8/5/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Jfk Jr
Member since Jul 2022
591 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:47 pm to
I mean sometimes you have to laugh at these types, as sad as it is that there's people out there like him.
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
12829 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:48 pm to
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Just read he made ton on vitamins.


Dude is such a fat frick. Who would buy his vitamins?
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54697 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:49 pm to
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shite like this judgement seems to be setting or maintaining dangerous precedent.
There is no new precedent set by this case.
Posted by Jfk Jr
Member since Jul 2022
591 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:49 pm to
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Who would buy his vitamins?

we have a couple in this thread that would.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:50 pm to
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because everything in their life is viewed from a political us v them point of view


Dripping with blind spots
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
104325 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:51 pm to
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Point #1: WERE the alleged harassers under Jones’ direction? YES or NO? "Influence" -- direct(ion) or otherwise -- is a very relative, spurrilous legal claim. Moreover, every person of earth can technically be said to "influence" the behavior and opinion of others.


I’ve already explained where the standard has been met on this. Hopefully those supplements help with your reading comprehension.

quote:

You claimed, "It was not a hoax with actors." Proven: CRISIS ACTOR WERE INVOLVED AT THE SITE OF THE EVENT. Ignorance of the facts of the matter is no excuse for a poorly constructed analysis of the event and case against AJ.


Prove it. It’s that simple. If Jones believed it to be true as he’s pushed for years proof should be easy to come by.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
104325 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:52 pm to
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shite like this judgement seems to be setting or maintaining dangerous precedent. Might be media influence (affecting my read) but such decisions seem to be decided along political lines.


What new precedent was set?
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
18317 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:59 pm to
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It only centered on damages because Alex failed to meaningfully participate or comply with court orders to the point a default judgment was entered against him.

Thanks. His inaction to respond to the court appropriately, via attorney or himself, is what caused the financial penalty.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283387 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:59 pm to
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Dude is such a fat frick. Who would buy his vitamins?


He should have gone into wrestling.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3595 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:59 pm to
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Are there any limitations in your mind? Should I have the freedom of speech to continuously tell your employers or community you are sexual predator if I know it to be false?


That’s not the same thing as claiming something is a hoax.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54697 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:02 pm to
Where is the line? The law says you can’t make a false statement of fact about someone that causes them damage. It’s also not reality to try to minimize what Jones said about these people and their dead children as implying he just simply referenced it as a hoax.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:02 pm to
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(Alex Jones knows full well the power he has to provoke action by the loonier fringes of his audience.)


I agree.

I just don't see Jones alone in this category. The entire industry is self promoting yellow journalism.


A balanced, honest perspective. Both sides should appreciate it.

There are at least five disturbing problems we see with the AJ case.

1) AJ -- like many considered on the "Right" or Republican ONLY -- was and has been targeted singularly & specifically for "incitement" or other "infractions".

2) NONE of what are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of unhinged statements that overtly and blatantly encourage violence (see Progs, Liberals, Democrats, Abortionists, BLM, Aunti Fa, etal) continue as they are -- their incitement officially sanctioned as THEY remain untouched, un-indicted, un-prosecuted, un-condemned.

3) Yellow Journalism is the default position of Mainstream Media whores and puppetmeisters. It's ONLY "job" is to lies in order to help create division, hate, consensus, and futher power & control by Global Authoritarians.

4) IF there IS a "lunatic fringe", it is ALL on the Left-Dem supported upside-down issues (we ALL know what they are)

5) The Alex Jones indictment and prosecution can be summarized in brief as the un-Constitutional "Un-Equal Application of The Law" -- his civil rights "violations" (given other more egregious violations from the Dem high-profiled are ignored) are prosecuted based solely on his political position, agenda, and subject matter considered 'VERBOTEN" by tPTB.
This post was edited on 8/5/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37709 posts
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:02 pm to
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You OT Commies and lunatics on the grass need all the mental help and "transitioning" counseling you can get.


Lol, the lunatic calling others lunatics.
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