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re: Addison Plane Crash Video - Can any OT aviation experts explain it

Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:10 pm to
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GeauxxxTigers23
I am speechless. I had no idea.
Posted by Bedhog
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2019
3741 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:13 pm to
Dude knows his planes for sure. I can testify. He was our pilot for a while before moving on to bigger things. We appreciate his time with us.
Posted by TopFlightSecurity
Watertown, NY
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:49 pm to
GeauxxxTigers23

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 6:28 pm to
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Vols&Shaft83
I've been led to believe this airplane was just recently purchased. Do you know how long ago and whether or not they had flown it since buying it?
Posted by pensacola
pensacola
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:45 pm to
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Because both props rotate clockwise.


P-38's had props rotating in opposite directions. Torque wasn't an issue until you lost an engine. This seems safer, right?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92093 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:03 pm to
counter rotation is better because it it equalizes the moment arm, but it doesn’t matter if you’re below Vmc, looks like the startle factor made the guy forget how to fly, kid in the right seat was the son of a friend of mine
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10055 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:39 pm to
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counter rotation is better because it it equalizes the moment arm, but it doesn’t matter if you’re below Vmc, looks like the startle factor made the guy forget how to fly, kid in the right seat was the son of a friend of mine


So very sorry to hear that.

Posted by Nativebullet
Plano, TX
Member since Feb 2011
5171 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:11 pm to
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Man I hate video clips from the news. Can’t these people stfu for 5 seconds and just let the video play?


Agree.... she says "then the plane FLIPS, the SPARKS"
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:29 pm to
777 and GeauxxxxxxxTigers, I just watched that video and I'm confused. If there's a speed below which you can't control a twin engine plane that loses an engine, how the hell do you land the thing if you have a failure?

I'm missing something here.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:30 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92093 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:34 pm to
Get energy on the wings before you go flying.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:37 pm to
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Get energy on the wings before you go flying.


Does that mean that you're gliding in and the engines are throttled back enough so that the good engine yawing the nose over can be controlled?

Basically, does the Vmca have to do with the velocity required to maintain control against full throttle asymmetric thrust, but once you have some energy built up, and the engines aren't at full throttle, it takes less velocity to maintain control?
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:40 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92093 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:41 pm to
No, just the opposite, he did not have enough energy on the wings but tried to take his problem airborne. I might be wrong but that’s what the video looks like to me.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:52 pm to
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No, just the opposite, he did not have enough energy on the wings but tried to take his problem airborne. I might be wrong but that’s what the video looks like to me.



Ahh, he should've aborted the takeoff if he wasn't already going too fast to abort. An engine failure at 0 feet is infinitely better than an engine out at 100 feet.

But my real confusion has to do with the minimum velocity required to maintain control against the good engine. Assuming you get the plane into the air, how do you land the plane with an engine out if it spirals out of control below a certain velocity, but you have to slow down to land? Does it have to do with reduced power on landing meaning the minimum controllable velocity with an engine out is lower than it is with full power on takeoff?
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:54 pm
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