re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20

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as for cigs: Nicotine most addictive substance from the website for a rehab place, lol there are other references for that claim. i didn't just make it up. nicotine is addictive as frick. the social acceptance of smoking makes real habits form, and unless your entire peer group quits, you'll have social pressure to smoke

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Trying to label something as "most addictive" is kind of futile. It's probably one the hardest things to quit simply because of the social implications and not so much the properties of nicotine itself.

suboxone is killing more people than it's helping...really sad

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It is working for me and millions of others. You cannot argue with that.

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i'm not arguing with an anecdotal example when discussing statistical analysis of hundreds of thousands of data points

i grew up in an "AA household". it "works" for my dad. i'm not dismissing the fact that you found aspects of AA helpful in realizing that you had developed a really bad habit, but that doesn't mean that (1) it's the optimal treatment, (2) it cured anything for you, or (3) it should be the primary treatment option for 300M

as one of those articles stated, if alcoholism is a disease, how many other diseases do you know that are treated with group meetings and prayer? or, i can put it in another way: how many diseases are treated exactly the same now as 75 years ago? or, how many diseases have treatment developed by non-professionals and without using statistical data?

i mean this is what we know from the data: the vast majority of people who have substance abuse/addiction issues resolve their problem without any sort of treatment (even after attempting, and failing, at treatment previously). the small portion who do not resolve on their own have a very small success rate by using 12-steps. this is statistical data

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suboxone is killing more people than it's helping...really sad

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Link? And those with proper rx's and treatment? Or dumbasses that buy it off the street and don't know a single shite about it?

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It's great that you care enough to say,this behavior must stop.

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Even better would've been instilling that the behavior shouldn't have started in the first place.

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Every family deals with this.

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Wrong.

don't need a link...i see it with people every single day

i've never taken it, just speaking on my experience with hundreds of others on a day to day basis.

suboxone has withdraws that rivals heroin and it's incredibly difficult to get off of...this is not a solution for a drug addict. it only works if the person has been on pain killers for a long time due to an injury and they are chemically dependent.

most doctors just keep handing out scripts for it instead of sticking to a program of getting them trickling them off

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I thought it was for Chronic Pain and due to the misinformation of a friend I went to a Doctor that prescribed it for 6 months.

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Correct. Misuse of the med. Most likely by a doc not well informed on the uses of the med. I never said it was benign. But it does have a place in treatment of opiate dependency in SOME pt's when used PROPERLY and closely monitored. And remember, these pt's are already at high risk for poor outcomes.

And FYI...before I am accused of being a pill pusher. I have never rx'd suboxone.

Okay. Since you have data points and all I guess I'll just go out and get a drink.

The main flaw with the studies is simple. When they say only 5-10% of people that enter the program stay sober...

Well yeah. You can't just walk into a meeting (enter the program) and be "cured." It doesn't work that way. But I really am done having this conversation with you. It is fruitless. I see literally hundreds of people every month that are sober because of their adherence to a 12 step program.

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Rage post.

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I see it like this. Dad finds joint or Loratab. "You're fricking going to rehab! I'm going ask the OT!"