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re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No treatment works for everyone
and i agree with this
and this is exactly why having some insanely high number like 95% of all treatment being based on 12-steps is a TERRIBLE thing
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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but it's not the only option. i posted like 5+ options after a quick google search. hell regular psychological counseling is an option
It's the only viable and readily accessible option. That was my point. I am in no way discounting other options. I am sure there are alternatives that work.
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you do realize that's a myopic and irrational way to see the world, right?
How is it irrational to do what works for me? Throwing up my hands and saying "Well this doesn't work for everybody...so frick it!" That seems irrational.
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that's the same thought process as a person who continues to play slots b/c it worked for them in the past. that thought process is one of my issues with AA
If it ain't broke. What do you think my goal in recovery should be? To seek out something that works better...when what I have is working?
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you have to realize the danger in applying that thought process on a macro level
What does this even mean? I am not trying to create some plan for the most effective treatment of addiction that can be implemented on a macro level. I am trying to be the best person I can be.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:01 am to biglego
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Cenikor is the one that finally worked for a family member of mine. I believe it's somewhere near Ninfas. Good luck to you! This is where a probation officer/friend I know tries to send his clients. He says it's the best around here.
It is for the people its designed for. It is a 2 year program designed for people who have failed at other methods of treatment. There are a lot of rules and structure and its based around behavior modification. Its a great program, but like any of them, it just gives you a place to work on your addiction yourself with some help.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:02 am to redfieldk717
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nobody has felt the need to put it to the test because it's working
that's wrong
and the choice to mandate 12-step inhibits the ability of other philosophies to compete. there may be better options that are simply being snuffed out due to the monopoly of 12-step programs. if the government spread its resources equally amongst all treatment programs, i bet you'd find success in all sorts of other programs
but nope. it all goes to 12-step
the only people who gets non-12 step are rich people who can afford the private rehab
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:
No treatment works for everyone
and i agree with this
and this is exactly why having some insanely high number like 95% of all treatment being based on 12-steps is a TERRIBLE thing
Most rehab facilities based on 12 step also utilize a lot of different therapies
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:03 am to LSUGUMBO
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My brother is down at the BR location right now- 14 months in to the 2 year program. He told me when I was down there for his 1 year ceremony that there weren't many that made it that long. It's definitely worked for him, and there are several locations around the country if you don't want to stay in BR. Best of all, it's self-sustaining, so it doesn't cost the patient/family anything. I believe it's just a small registration fee ($500 or less, IIRC), then they collect your paychecks as payment or you work around the center to earn your keep.
Correct. 450$ admission fee. You work at a job to learn job skills, meet potential future employers as well as work your own way through treatment.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:06 am to MBclass83
check out Home of Grace in Van Cleave, MS
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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this "there is no option" stuff is mythology...a mythology that pushes the dominance of 12-step programs, killing competition to find a better way
Dude STFU. This is a serious subject and you're a complete idiot.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:11 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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Palmetto, bring him up here. They will clean him up
Went there myself in 2007. Been clean since.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:12 am to MeatSlingingFool
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Went there myself in 2007. Been clean since.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:13 am to redfieldk717
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Went there myself in 2007. Been clean since.
Good for you man. St. Christopher's class of 08 here.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:15 am to redfieldk717
I went to Wildnerness Treatment Center in 2003.
Just celebrated 11 years in August.
Just celebrated 11 years in August.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
I see you're still not grasping the point.
12 Steps and AA are not mutually exclusive any longer (although they should be) If you're familiar with the steps, as you say you are, then you know that step 1 applies to pretty much any treatment center including those you linked.
Why do you keep saying that government applies it's resources to AA causing it to be successful. You should refer to Tradition 7 and since you have been going to meetings for 20 years you should know what that is.
And finally, AA was started over 70 years ago and is growing larger every day in countries all over the world. It has helped MILLIONS of people get and stay sober. If those meetings and the 12 steps are such a failure then what are the reasons for the above statistics I just listed?
12 Steps and AA are not mutually exclusive any longer (although they should be) If you're familiar with the steps, as you say you are, then you know that step 1 applies to pretty much any treatment center including those you linked.
Why do you keep saying that government applies it's resources to AA causing it to be successful. You should refer to Tradition 7 and since you have been going to meetings for 20 years you should know what that is.
And finally, AA was started over 70 years ago and is growing larger every day in countries all over the world. It has helped MILLIONS of people get and stay sober. If those meetings and the 12 steps are such a failure then what are the reasons for the above statistics I just listed?
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:16 am to okietiger
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Just celebrated 11 years in August.
Boom!!!
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:17 am to okietiger
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:17 am to Supermoto Tiger
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Dude STFU. This is a serious subject and you're a complete idiot.
He's not an idiot. He's a pretty smart guy. He just picks strange battles at times and has an addiction to being right.
I mean what is the end game here? We were talking about treatment centers and he decides it is his imperative to try to debunk a recovery philosophy that works for so many. Why? Because there are other options? Okay. There are other options. Point conceded. But that was not enough. He had to go on to explain to me that I am irrational because I am committed to a program that works for me.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:17 am to trom83
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maybe you should've done that in the first place and you wouldn't be in this situation......just saying
My God man, what the hell.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:18 am to trom83
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trom83
Didn't read all the pages but you are just a piece of trash.
Best wishes to the OP
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:20 am to Artie Rome
And in the AA Big Book it specifically states to accept what other options have to offer. 
AA states it does not have a monopoly on recovery and that the point is to help people stay sober and that person should use whatever option is best suited for them. Doesn't really sound like a dictator wrote that book.
AA states it does not have a monopoly on recovery and that the point is to help people stay sober and that person should use whatever option is best suited for them. Doesn't really sound like a dictator wrote that book.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:20 am to redfieldk717
Congrats to all of you fellows doing the right thing. I hope none of you go out and get loaded after learning from SFP that your program does not work.
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