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Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:43 am to MBclass83
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Any recommendations for the Baton Rouge area?
*** does not need to be in BR ***
The whole point is to take them completely out of their environment for an extended period of time. If you want him in BR so you can visit, then send him to Summit MS. It's a short drive for family to visit.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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statistical evidence is not trolling
look at the stats
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Bankole A. Johnson is chairman of the department of psychiatry and neurobehavioral sciences at the University of Virginia and has served as a paid consultant to pharmaceutical companies developing medications to treat alcoholism.
that WaPo article is garbage...the fricking pharm companies who are money hungry, greedy bastard conducted that study. of course they would come to that conclusion
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:46 am to redfieldk717
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.the fricking pharm companies who are money hungry, greedy bastard conducted that study. of course they would come to that conclusion
oy vey
the other options tested didn't even involve drug treatment, i don't think
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:47 am to Caplewood
i'm neutral to all of that
there are stories of people being kicked out of programs due to not believing in god, though, which is terrible
especially if they end up in jail because of it
there are stories of people being kicked out of programs due to not believing in god, though, which is terrible
especially if they end up in jail because of it
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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a lot of this is domination is via government (forced AA treatment through government mandate)
It is forced because it is the only option. It is the only option because it has worked for millions of people. Or maybe it is because all of those AA fat cats lining their pockets with $1 I put in the basket that they claim is for coffee.
Again, this is fruitless. No, AA doesn't work. I know so many people that went to 2-3 meetings and said "frick this!" So it must not work. Pretty silly.
The reason AAs discount the studies and ignore the "failure rates" is because they have seen it work. And it is working for them. So all the studies discounting it are completely irrelevant to them. You can tell me that 99/100 alcoholics will relapse even in the program. If it is working for me, and I am the 1/100...that's really all that matters to me and my family. Because not working the program was not working 100% of the time.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:49 am to Artie Rome
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
the article is pretty vague...would be interesting to see the full test report
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Its been my experience that while i do know, as well as you do as well, that the program works for some people. Some have to find other avenues for recovery, or to learn to "scale' them back. I for one know if I get around a white substance it wont turn out well. I chose to not be around it and hang with those who dont either. IMHO, 12 step programmers tend to mimic those of deep religious backgrounds. They believe that it is the only way to heaven(or sobriety) and will argue with you tooth and nail that is the only way to accomplish those things. I for one dont believe in religion as it causes too much bullshite around the world. To me, it separates people as a whole. Am I spiritual? Yes, but I keep that to myself. Those who believe in those things, and think that they work, I dont argue with them. No point.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:50 am to sicboy
quote:this x 1,000
Great comment with all the facts. Dumbass.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:50 am to MBclass83
OP makes a thread and goes away without elaborating...Nice
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:51 am to Artie Rome
it is impossible to know a true success/failure rate of AA because there are so many different variables. it is not black and white enough to be run through a scientific experiment producing indisputable data.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:53 am to Artie Rome
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It is forced because it is the only option.
but it's not the only option. i posted like 5+ options after a quick google search. hell regular psychological counseling is an option
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It is the only option because it has worked for millions of people.
you see the tautology there, right?
and studies have shown that other programs are just as effective, if not more effective. they just aren't proliferated through "the system"
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Or maybe it is because all of those AA fat cats lining their pockets with $1 I put in the basket that they claim is for coffee.
where did i claim a financial motive?
again, i've attended meetings (not consistently or regularly, obviously) for like 20 years. i know what an AA meeting looks like
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The reason AAs discount the studies and ignore the "failure rates" is because they have seen it work. And it is working for them. So all the studies discounting it are completely irrelevant to them.
you do realize that's a myopic and irrational way to see the world, right?
that's the same thought process as a person who continues to play slots b/c it worked for them in the past. that thought process is one of my issues with AA. it's got a lot of self fulfilling prophecy in there and completely misses the mark for treatment. there is a reason science doesn't rely on outlier-anecdotal evidence. treatment is a science and should rely on scientific data and statistical analysis
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You can tell me that 99/100 alcoholics will relapse even in the program. If it is working for me, and I am the 1/100...that's really all that matters to me and my family. Because not working the program was not working 100% of the time.
you are dismissing this for heavily biased reasons. you have to realize the danger in applying that thought process on a macro level
this is now how science works
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:55 am to redfieldk717
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it is not black and white enough to be run through a scientific experiment producing indisputable data.
it should be put to the test, especially since not only do we devote so many public resources to 12-step programs (though public rehab programs and rehab programs paid for via medicaid), but also since the criminal justice system so heavily relies upon it
i'll put it in another way
just think about the absolute shite storm we'd see if the EPA issued regulations banning fracking based on a few anecdotal examples of fracking possibly poisoning a drinking reservoir affecting a small % of the US population. but those people believe 100% that fracking caused the issues, without any data
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
480 is reading this thread and pondering on becoming a born again christian
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:58 am to Artie Rome
You nailed it. No treatment works for everyone and most people require a variety of techniques. Criticizing AA is a bit silly because like any treatment, for those it works for its a godsend. I think most people I met in AA (who weren't court ordered) had already tried a variety of treatments. You pick a little up as you go through a program, one day it clicks.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:58 am to reginaphilange
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Cenikor is the one that finally worked for a family member of mine. I believe it's somewhere near Ninfas. Good luck to you!
This is where a probation officer/friend I know tries to send his clients. He says it's the best around here.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
nobody has felt the need to put it to the test because it's working
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:59 am to reginaphilange
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Cenikor is the one that finally worked for a family member of mine
My brother is down at the BR location right now- 14 months in to the 2 year program. He told me when I was down there for his 1 year ceremony that there weren't many that made it that long.
It's definitely worked for him, and there are several locations around the country if you don't want to stay in BR. Best of all, it's self-sustaining, so it doesn't cost the patient/family anything. I believe it's just a small registration fee ($500 or less, IIRC), then they collect your paychecks as payment or you work around the center to earn your keep.
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