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re: Aborting children with down syndrome, would you do it?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:27 pm to Salmon
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:27 pm to Salmon
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I doubt many Republicans or Democrats agree 100% with their party beliefs
this is one in which I disagree
Which is why it's a bit contradictory, but yeah no one has to agree 100% with the party line.
I'm sure I don't either on plenty of issues.
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:27 pm to beauchristopher
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I can't believe people are devauling life because they think it's some burden. My disabled sibling is far worse off than down syndrome and is one of the sweetest people I know. Very much has value in this world.
I don't think anyone is saying their lives aren't as valuable or trying to devalue them.
Raising them, I believe, would be a more difficult burden in multiple ways- emotionally, financially, physically. That doesn't mean their lives aren't important, but just some people wouldn't be fit to take that on or have the willingness to do it. You could view that as a selfish decision and it is, but there's nothing wrong with being selfish at times. You have to live your life for you, you only get to do it once.
It's a huge commitment to take on, one that likely drastically effects every day of your life going forward. If you are pro-life 100%, then of course you wouldn't consider it. I, like others, am on the fence about abortion, so I wouldn't want to take that burden on personally.
Doesn't mean I don't respect handicapped lives.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:27 pm to LSUBoo
We didn't and she's the best thing that ever happened to us!
My 13 year old boy is better off for his sister as well and if I had to let him take her out of town for surgery he could do it for the experience he has gotten out of it.
My 13 year old boy is better off for his sister as well and if I had to let him take her out of town for surgery he could do it for the experience he has gotten out of it.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:28 pm to Golfer
Parents whose children get in accidents make this choice every day. Life and death is pretty banal.
They often get a choice along the lines of "do you want us to take your kid off the vent" to see if they can breathe on their own.
And parents who know that their kids would not want to live in a broken body have the legal right to make that choice that if their kid can't breathe off the vent that no extraordinary measures be taken.
They often get a choice along the lines of "do you want us to take your kid off the vent" to see if they can breathe on their own.
And parents who know that their kids would not want to live in a broken body have the legal right to make that choice that if their kid can't breathe off the vent that no extraordinary measures be taken.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:30 pm to mahdragonz
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They often get a choice along the lines of "do you want us to take your kid off the vent" to see if they can breathe on their own.
And parents who know that their kids would not want to live in a broken body have the legal right to make that choice that if their kid can't breathe off the vent that no extraordinary measures be taken.
this is a different scenario
I'm talking a scenario in which the child is still able to function but at a much lower capacity
not in a vegetable state
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:30 pm to Tigerfan56
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You could view that as a selfish decision and it is, but there's nothing wrong with being selfish at times. You have to live your life for you, you only get to do it once.
If that's one's attitude then they shouldn't have children at all. Healthy or not.
I'm not saying that parents ignore their own needs to care for their children. But the mere act of parenting is selfless.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:30 pm to OweO
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Have you ever come across parents who lack support for their child or was scared because they had no idea what they were going to do
We will always have the social worker at work visit these parents to make sure they are taking advantage of options out there for them. There are many programs available(depending on where you live) for parents of disabled children. Some parents may not realize what is all available to them. There are also respite programs available to provide respite care for these families. The parents need a break sometimes and may not realize there are resources available that will provide this.
Most of these parents will insist on continuing to do all the care for their child while they are in the hospital. I will usually encourage the parents to feel free and go home for a night if they wish...that we will be more than happy to do all the care their child needs while they are in the hospital. While it makes my job easier if the parents help out....I realize a hospitalization might provide an opportunity for a parent to know their child is in trusting hands and go home for a bit and get some much needed rest.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:30 pm to Tigerfan56
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Raising them, I believe, would be a more difficult burden in multiple ways- emotionally, financially, physically. That doesn't mean their lives aren't important, but just some people wouldn't be fit to take that on or have the willingness to do it. You could view that as a selfish decision and it is, but there's nothing wrong with being selfish at times. You have to live your life for you, you only get to do it once.
It's a huge commitment to take on, one that likely drastically effects every day of your life going forward.
don't have children
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:31 pm to mahdragonz
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Parents whose children get in accidents make this choice every day. Life and death is pretty banal.
They often get a choice along the lines of "do you want us to take your kid off the vent" to see if they can breathe on their own.
Not what I'm talking about.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:32 pm to LSUBoo
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Which is why it's a bit contradictory
which is why I said I was in a weird place
I realize most libertarian atheists are more than likely pro choice
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:32 pm to Salmon
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this is a different scenario
I'm talking a scenario in which the child is still able to function but at a much lower capacity
not in a vegetable state
It puts the pro-abortion folk in a bad spot. It's not legal (yet) to euthanize a human who has the capacity to live on his/her own
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:33 pm to mailman
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Aborting children with down syndrome, would you do it?
Dude... that's fricked up
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:34 pm to mailman
That depends. Normally I'm against abortions of all healthy fetuses. However Down syndrome falls into a middle ground of still being somewhat viable, but needing assistance to be viable. I can understand both sides of aborting vs keeping.
If I could personally afford all the costs and work needed to provide care to a Down syndrome baby/child/adult, considering they generally need care almost full time their entire lives. I know two mothers in this situation, both with Down syndrome children that are now older than I am. One had to hire nurses 6 days a week during normal working hours so she could work and make enough to pay for his care and a little more. Other couldn't make enough to pay for everything and so she quit her job and takes care of her herself
If I could personally afford all the costs and work needed to provide care to a Down syndrome baby/child/adult, considering they generally need care almost full time their entire lives. I know two mothers in this situation, both with Down syndrome children that are now older than I am. One had to hire nurses 6 days a week during normal working hours so she could work and make enough to pay for his care and a little more. Other couldn't make enough to pay for everything and so she quit her job and takes care of her herself
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:34 pm to Salmon
Like I said before, Down syndrome is not just a single issue. There are often cardiac, gastro intestinal, muscular issues that compound it.
There is a very high level of illness so it's not just about being lower functioning. It's about having a shite ton of medical issues in a person who will not be able to care for themselves.
I do not think that parents who terminate for Down syndrome just think yep, late term abortion, bring on the party and champagne.
With so much medical technology, there is a real possibility that terminating a pregnancy is a thoughtful choice for some families.
There is a very high level of illness so it's not just about being lower functioning. It's about having a shite ton of medical issues in a person who will not be able to care for themselves.
I do not think that parents who terminate for Down syndrome just think yep, late term abortion, bring on the party and champagne.
With so much medical technology, there is a real possibility that terminating a pregnancy is a thoughtful choice for some families.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:35 pm to mailman
My sister in law has made the comment several times that she would abort the child if it tested positive for downs. Shallow self centered bitch!
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:36 pm to CidCock
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this is a different scenario
I'm talking a scenario in which the child is still able to function but at a much lower capacity
not in a vegetable state
It puts the pro-abortion folk in a bad spot. It's not legal (yet) to euthanize a human who has the capacity to live on his/her own
If you've read my posts you know that I am a pro-choice person. With that said, euthanizing a person that can live (breath, eat, heartbeat, etc) on their own is different than aborting under out current laws. If your aborting now, the fetus has not reached the point of viability, and thus are essentially in a vegetative state.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:36 pm to Salmon
I know, I was agreeing with your self assessment.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:40 pm to Salmon
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don't have children
ok. Just because you lack the depth to make critical decisions in grey areas, doesn't mean others can't. Not everything is black and white. Just because I wouldn't want to take on the burden of a down syndrome child, given the choice, doesn't mean I couldn't do it or furthermore that I wouldn't be a good parent.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:42 pm to LSUBoo
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I'm in a weird place right now as a pro life, libertarian, atheist...
That is weird, considering the first one pretty much contradicts the next two.
This is the dumbest comment in the whole thread
There is absolutely nothing about atheism that contradicts being pro-life. An atheist can just as easily view abortion as murder and be morally opposed to murder. Are you one of those people that think morals only exist because of Christianity?
Also, Libertarians don't want murder to be legal. If a person deems abortion as murder and happens to be a libertarian, then they would be considered pro-life.
And ftr, I am not saying abortion is murder or not. Just saying that being an atheist and libertarian can 100% co-exist with being pro-life and I'm saying you're a fricking moron.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:42 pm to TigernMS12
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If your aborting now, the fetus has not reached the point of viability
9 states still allow third trimester abortions.
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