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re: A Ukrainian F-16 pilot achieved a feat nobody flying the jet has managed before

Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm to
Simple question brotato.
What confidence to you put into the veracity of this story?
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm to
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Is Zelenskiyy giving you a nickel for each of your posts dealing with Ukraine?


Are all of you this broken or just some of you?
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm to
Read my very first post in the thread. Should be easy to find. It’s been there from the beginning.
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm to
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Are all of you this broken or just some of you?



This is fun, it's page 10 and you're still going strong.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:24 pm to
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This is fun, it's page 10 and you're still going strong.


Fair.

It’s been a slow day IRL but that’s now wrapping up. Just got home so about to dive into some projects.

So let’s wrap this up pretty quickly ok?
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:24 pm to
You said more then believable.

Why?
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:25 pm to
Read the rest of the post.


See? This is the problem. You can’t managed to read a simple post with just a few sentences.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:26 pm to
Ffs don't be a twat.

What convinces you this story is more than believable?
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:27 pm to
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He wouldn’t be the first viper driver to lose a fight. A couple of years ago an Indian MiG-21 brought down a Paki F-16 in a dogfight.
This turned out to be a friendly fire incident this Haji was downed by a sidewinder if this is the 1987 incident.

russians did get an f16 with a sam back in december
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:34 pm to
Quite literally the second part of the very post you just looked at.

I’m tired of telling you things only for you to read what you want to read.

Either read the damned posts or don’t.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:36 pm to
Now see this is why we can't have nice things simple communications could clear things up I am offering an olive branch.

Perhaps we aren't that far off.

Maybe we got off on the wrong foot.

Can't you at least try to meet me half way on civil discourse?
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:31 pm to
I’m honestly trying to. I try to lay things out pretty plainly for people. The problem is when people either try to read too much or don’t read it at all.

Yes I think it’s a believable story. And it’s believable for the reason listed in the second half of my original post.

Some of the “oh that’s just bullshite” crowd seems to think that the claim in the OP is some “holy shite that’s incredible” accomplishment. It really isn’t. It’s an accomplishment because of a lack of opportunity. We haven’t had other examples(to my knowledge) of dozens of cruise missiles being fired at the same time creating the opportunity for a pilot to shoot down six.

From what I’ve heard from our naval pilots in the ME, the Houthi’s don’t typically fire nearly that many at once. Which means……a lack of opportunity.

I don’t have video footage of British WW2 pilots actually using their own plane’s wing to flip over a V1 bomb in mid-flight but I do believe the story based upon the likelihood of it happening.


All of this….and I do mean all of this….has been posted in this thread.
Posted by DesScorp
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:42 pm to
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This turned out to be a friendly fire incident this Haji was downed by a sidewinder if this is the 1987 incident.


2018. Paki incursion into the Indian side of Kasmir airspace . Pakistan denies it ever happened, but the Indians showed some recovered wreckage.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:58 pm to
Google it you can see RAF in action.

Supposedly 90 plus missiles and hundreds of drones.

Deconfliction should be a nightmare.

I don't trust the Ukrainians anymore than I trust the Russians.

Possible yes.

Probable in the maybe range.

Some general on Facebook dubious

Again ample ability to provide audio and video proof and if they did this most assuredly they would have provided it.

H ll command and control audio would be simple. Fox calls alone.

I get the feeling your a pro Ukraine guy.

I after 32 years in the military wouldn't miss a wink if both corrupt countries could some how both lose.
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