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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:07 am to BugAC
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:07 am to BugAC
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What gun laws do you want that would have prevented yesterday.
I find it amusing when people try to act as if more gun laws on the books is going to decrease murders.
It hasn’t in Chicago or NYC. Matter of fact, in NYC, Murders increased by 10%, while citywide shooting incidents decreased by 1.3% in 2021..
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:08 am to TexasTiger08
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It’s pathetic that these even have to be brought up, but such is life. Also, many of these are unrealistic. Security escorts, patrols, etc mean you need to add a few people to your district staff, find money to properly equip, train, and pay them. I’m sure taxpayers are eager to foot this bill, especially in a state like Louisiana.
Which is my point. It may be the surest way to protect against mass shootings, but it is not a viable option.
There is no "this plan will stop it". You are trying to present a legal solution to an ethical and mental problem.
How do you stop bad people from doing bad things?
How do you stop crazy people from doing crazy things?
You can't fix this problem with legislation.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:08 am to Clames
I’ll just do MY OWN research instead of yours for you.
LInk to article because I’m not lazy
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It is well known that many crimes in the United States are committed with firearms. Less adequately documented is the frequency with which victims use guns in self-defense. We used National Crime Victimization Survey data to examine incidents where victims employed guns against offenders. Between 1987 and 1990 there were an estimated 258,460 incidents of firearm defense, an annual mean of 64,615. Victims used firearms in 0.18% of all crimes recorded by the survey and in 0.83% of violent offenses. Firearm self-defense is rare compared with gun crimes.
LInk to article because I’m not lazy
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:09 am to BugAC
What if you present the problem as “how do we limit the harm bad people can do or how can we make bad people less effective at doing bad things”
This questions point you to guns.
This questions point you to guns.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:10 am to Bronc
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An August 2019 Fox News poll of registered voters found 90% of respondents favored universal background checks, 81% supported taking guns from at-risk individuals, and 67% favored banning assault weapons.
Can you link this poll please?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:11 am to BugAC
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What gun laws do you want that would have prevented yesterday?
Yesterday? None. Mass shooting in general? Some
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:11 am to UpToPar
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And you think purchasing guns will cease once they are banned? Guns are crossing our southern boarder every day. That would increase ten fold if guns were banned here.
As far as mass shootings go, yea I strongly believe that those shooters would have had a significantly harder time trying to get ahold of a gun from a cartel Member than just taking their parents gun or buying one from a gun store.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:12 am to SammyTiger
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SammyTiger
So, are you a proponent of removing firearms from women and the elderly?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:12 am to BugAC
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:14 am to dandyjohn
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Tyranny from a government that's never done anything to take guns away = a price too high to pay.
What did I say about taking guns away? They can turn tyrannical in a million other ways. Our guns are literally our only defense against any of them.
We are in a constant cold war with our government, and that's by design.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:14 am to SammyTiger
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As far as mass shootings go, yea I strongly believe that those shooters would have had a significantly harder time trying to get ahold of a gun from a cartel Member than just taking their parents gun or buying one from a gun store.
How do you go about enforcing this? How do you confiscate guns from legal gun owners? How do you assure the country that every single gun in the United States has been confiscated and destroyed?
My point, is this is not a serious solution, and can not be practically implemented. So, using a serious solution, how do you prevent what happened yesterday?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:16 am to Mike da Tigah
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find it amusing when people try to act as if more gun laws on the books is going to decrease murders.
It hasn’t in Chicago or NYC. Matter of fact, in NYC
I find it amusing when people try to act like gun restrictions in one city are indicative of what would occur would a nation wide gun restriction is enforced. I mean is isn't like its hard to drive a couple hours to buy a gun legally.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:17 am to BugAC
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So, are you a proponent of removing firearms from women and the elderly?
Yes. I am. The statistics show that it is significantly more rare for victims Of a crime to use a handgun than for the perpetrator of the crime to use the handgun. I linked a study in another post.
Women are more likely to be killed by their abusive a partner with a gun than use it to defend themselves.
And that doesn’t take into account that once you put these guns out there it’s far too easy for them to swap hands.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:18 am to Bronc
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An August 2019 Fox News poll of registered voters found 90% of respondents favored universal background checks, 81% supported taking guns from at-risk individuals, and 67% favored banning assault weapons.
A PBS Poll showed 83% support for private sale background checks, 73% for a national Red Flag Law, 72% to require licensing before all purchases, 61% for banning high capacity magazines, and a slight majority support a federal buy back program.
So basically everything I listed already has majority support, the credibility gap is the other way, and convincing someone like you by demonstrating aptitude regarding a bunch of red herrings about technical and granular gun knowledge, when you literally said you wont support something like a universal background check anyways, seems like the definition of a fools errand IMO, and really just a post hoc excuse.
Ok, let's break this down.
You posted a series of ideas, several of which (including interviews, defining at-risk individuals, etc.) are highly subjective.
I responded, quite politely, indicating that knowledge of what you're talking about (you or the authorities at issue) and candid honesty about the threat would go a long way to making what you propose feasible.
Then you respond with his screed about granular knowledge and universal background checks. Which, by the way, are rarely implicated in high profile gun crime.
At no point did I demand you be able to talk to me about piston vs. DI. What I did do is suggest that if you want people to submit to going before a panel or allowing themselves to be adjudicated by another human being relating to firearm rights, you might want to make it a little less obvious that you're all around hostile to the very existence of those people.
You lashed out at the concept, which tells me what I need to know - you're not doing this in good faith, just like the huge majority of people advocating for gun control are not.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:18 am to reauxl tigers
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Also just a side thought for those that think their weapons are protecting them from a tyrannical government. It would be like taking a knife to a gun fight except your ARs are the knives.
Quite ironic the people who want increased military spending are the same one's who need their AR15s to protect themselves from the government
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:18 am to mindbreaker
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I bet you are pro life aren't you? Posted some "save the children" hashtags maybe.
This isn't the gotcha you think it is.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:19 am to Bronc
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LINK
Thank you
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In the wake of two mass shootings, overwhelming and bipartisan majorities of voters favor background checks on gun buyers and taking guns from people who are a danger to themselves or others, according to the latest Fox News Poll. Two-thirds also support a ban on “assault weapons,” although that majority is largely driven by Democrats.
But asked to choose one or the other, voters would rather live in a country where gun ownership is legal than one where guns are banned.
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When voters are asked to say in their own words why mass shootings happen more often in the U.S. than elsewhere, their top three responses are: access to guns (35 percent), mental health issues (22 percent), and Trump rhetoric (10 percent).
Kind of takes away from this as being a serious poll, don't ya think? quote:
there’s broad support for requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (90 percent) and passing “red flag” laws that allow police to take guns from people shown to be a danger to themselves or others (81 percent).
Ok, common sense.
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Still, by a 57-34 percent margin, voters would rather live in a country where guns are legal, and 38 percent report someone in their household owns a gun.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:20 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Yesterday? None.
We really can't say that
If this kid bought his guns off the internet from a private seller(or received an inconclusive federal background check from a recent purchase), a simple universal background check, or extending the waiting period or time to complete a background check, may have thrown a flag.
If this kid was required to be licensed, have guardians and third party references cross checked, and wait 28 days like in Canada, very possible something surfaces that denies him access to buying 2 AR-15's.
Heck, if the kid maybe had more ease of access to mental care, he might have been saved by the system before a tragedy occurred.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:20 am to mindbreaker
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I find it amusing when people try to act like gun restrictions in one city are indicative of what would occur would a nation wide gun restriction is enforced.
Why can't you tell us what "gun restriction" you want that would have prevented yesterday? How is this a hard thing for you to answer?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:22 am to BugAC
Are you retarded?
Serious question? Cause if this is the level of engagement I can expect going forward, I'll save myself the trouble
No one has proposed banning all guns in this thread, what gotcha do you think highlighting that has to do with support for the modest controls that I suggested to you on the other page?
Serious question? Cause if this is the level of engagement I can expect going forward, I'll save myself the trouble
No one has proposed banning all guns in this thread, what gotcha do you think highlighting that has to do with support for the modest controls that I suggested to you on the other page?
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