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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:43 am to BugAC
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:43 am to BugAC
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I argue that the existence of the 2nd amendment has curtailed outright authoritarianism.
How do you explain that the second amendment exists in only America and no other developed country, and yet, the 9 oldest democracies after America have at no point been interrupted by authoritarianism? Seems to me if your logic held true, we should have seen every other democracy in the developed world crumble under authoritarianism by now, and yet, it's America where instability and a coup attempt just occurred the other year....
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:44 am to Bronc
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a coup attempt just occurred the other year....
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:44 am to Bronc
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the 9 oldest democracies after America have at no point been interrupted by authoritarianism
Oh my.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:45 am to BugAC
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No, you don't know what the word "violence" means. Keeping thinking violence ONLY involves guns.
Show me a statistic that these countries make up for the lack of gun violence in other ways.
Guns make violence easier.
That’s the point of a gun.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 am to UpToPar
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He said banning guns does not stop violence. You then went on to post a bunch of graphs relating to gun violence. Banning guns certainly slows gun violence. It does not stop violence.
OMG fricking semantics man. Gun regulations curve gun related violence. there is data to back this up world wide. If a deranged 18 year old smashes into school with a knife the aftermath would not have been near as serious. But by all means continue with your gotcha attempts as another mass shooting occurs.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 am to BugAC
Still waiting on someone to lay out what sensible gun reform looks like.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:47 am to mindbreaker
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This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:49 am to Bronc
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How do you explain that the second amendment exists in only America and no other developed country, and yet, the 9 oldest democracies after America have at no point been interrupted by authoritarianism? Seems to me if your logic held true, we should have seen every other democracy in the developed world crumble under authoritarianism by now, and yet, it's America where instability and a coup attempt just occurred the other year....
1) A "coup attempt"? Who tried to attempt a coup? Not a single firearm, other than the capital police, was present by any of these attempted "overthrowers".
2) Which 9 are you talking about?
3) We have seen, in former democracies/republics, the banning of personal firearms was/is a tactic used by authoritarian regimes to take control. We've also seen in countries like China, Venezuela, Cuba, where people attempt to overthrow their chains of bondage are quickly subdued because of their lack of firearms.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:50 am to BugAC
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A sassy 5'0 tall, 250 lb. black woman isn't much of a safeguard
frick you, I ain’t messin with her
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:53 am to mindbreaker
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Gun regulations curve gun related violence. there is data to back this up world wide.
How does making guns "more illegal" stop violence? Explain to me how that works. The presence of a gun does not precipitate violence. The image of a pistol does not cause people to shoot other people. PEOPLE KILL OTHER PEOPLE. NOT GUNS. You want to ban the tool, but do nothing to address the person that precipitates the violence. It's such asinine and lazy arguments.
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If a deranged 18 year old smashes into school with a knife the aftermath would not have been near as serious.
So then, the only solution is what?
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But by all means continue with your gotcha attempts as another mass shooting occurs.
Emotions do not strengthen your argument.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:54 am to Sun God
By God I'll keep my spoon!
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:56 am to cahoots
cahoots
mindbreaker
SammyTiger
You 3 keep arguing in circles. I want to know 1 simple thing from you.
What law that you want enforced, specifically, would have stopped yesterday and how?
mindbreaker
SammyTiger
You 3 keep arguing in circles. I want to know 1 simple thing from you.
What law that you want enforced, specifically, would have stopped yesterday and how?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:56 am to BugAC
I’m sorry, but the people acting like they’re going to use their AR-15 to effectively defend themselves against aggression by the government are hilarious.
Defend yourself against a home intruder? Sure. The police or military coming in theoretically ready to subdue you by whatever force is necessary? Good luck with that.
Defend yourself against a home intruder? Sure. The police or military coming in theoretically ready to subdue you by whatever force is necessary? Good luck with that.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:56 am to BugAC
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How does making guns "more illegal" stop violence? Explain to me how that works. The presence of a gun does not precipitate violence. The image of a pistol does not cause people to shoot other people. PEOPLE KILL OTHER PEOPLE. NOT GUNS. You want to ban the tool, but do nothing to address the person that precipitates the violence. It's such asinine and lazy arguments.
No. Your argument is lazy. People kill people with guns. You can make the tool harder to access. You can invest more into our education system. You can invest more into our mental health and wellbeing. All of these things can curb violence. Never truly stop it. But curb it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:57 am to BugAC
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This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:58 am to cahoots
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So should guns be allowed in airports, schools, and government buildings?
Yes.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:02 am to BugAC
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This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:07 am to cahoots
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All I've asked you to admit is that guns lead to more violence, all else equal. The country is arming up and violence is increasing. It's a pretty simple thing to admit.
This depends on your definition of violence. You (and others) in this thread are equating "violence" with "gun violence." What about assault, sexual assault, armed robbery? Do those constitute "violence"? Because Australia saw a dramatic rise in all of those crimes after banning guns. Why? Because victims became known soft targets.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:08 am to UpToPar
It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:10 am to whatiknowsofar
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It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.
I'm all for trying to find solutions to this country's violence problem without trampling on individual rights.
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