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A few folks that think we need to OPEN LIFE BACK UP....

Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:17 pm
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:17 pm
https://gbdeclaration.org/
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The Great Barrington Declaration
As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi, em. Professor of Medical Microbiology, University of Mainz, Germany
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, MD, MPH, Physician with the VA, epidemiology, health equity practice, and health impact assessment of public policy, USA
Prof. Stephen Bremner,
Professor of Medical Statistics, Brighton and Sussex Medical School, University of Sussex, UK
Prof. Anthony J Brookes, Department of Genetics & Genome Biology, University of Leicester, UK
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, with expertise in risk prediction, University of Edinburgh, UK
Prof. Angus Dalgleish, MD, FRCP, FRACP, FRCPath, FMedSci, Department of Oncology, St. George’s, University of London, UK
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, MD, PhD. Founder and Director, The Susanne Levy Gertner Oncogenetics Unit, The Danek Gertner Institute of Human Genetics, Chaim Sheba Medical Center and Professor of Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine and Depertment of Human Genetics and Biochemistry, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Uri Gavish, an expert in algorithm analysis and a biomedical consultant
Prof. Motti Gerlic, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, professor, a mathematician focussing on population dynamics, evolutionary theory and infectious disease epidemiology. University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK
Prof. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, UK
Dr. Michael Jackson, PhD is an ecologist and research fellow at the University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
Dr. David Katz, MD, MPH, President, True Health Initiative and the Founder and Former Director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, PhD., biostatistician and data scientist, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science. Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Michael Levitt, PhD is a biophysicist and a professor of structural biology. Dr. Levitt received the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems. Stanford University, USA
Prof. David Livermore, Professor, microbiologist with expertise in disease epidemiology, antibiotic resistance and rapid diagnostics. University of East Anglia, UK
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.
Dr. Paul McKeigue, professor of epidemiology and public health physician, with expertise in statistical modelling of disease. University of Edinburgh, UK
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Prof. Ariel Munitz, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Prof. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, Professor of Finance, Director at Behavioural Finance Working Group, School of Business and Management, Queen Mary University of London, UK


Posted by RebelOP
Misty Mountain Top
Member since Jun 2013
12478 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:18 pm to
fak
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56290 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:18 pm to
Quit making shite up.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43143 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:18 pm to
Who gonna read all that shite?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98887 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:20 pm to
Well...no shite
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:22 pm to
Flatten the curve-

Increase testing-

Lower hospitalizations-

Lower number of folks on ventilators, produce more vents-

Lower death rate-

Produce better therapies-

Get a vaccine- Irrelevant now, liberals say vaccine doesn't matter

Make case totals in USA zero- Unfortunately gonna be hard to do.



ETA: Used wrong term, meant moving goal post

This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:24 pm
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
3829 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:24 pm to
Amen.

Still trying to figure out why we need this degree of shutdown when it would suffice to say

1. anybody over 60 stay the F at home
2. anybody over 50 take XYZ precautions like eating outdoors and food delivery
3. Anybody under 50 with no conditions, wear a mask and wash your hands all the time until we find a solution and don't be stupid

I mean look at it this way - in the last 8-term president/VP, we lost 240,000 people in car crashes. We never shut down the roads, and we even knew how to stop most of the deaths - speeding, drinking, and texting. It's like nobody even cares (and they don't).
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

I mean look at it this way - in the last 8-term president/VP, we lost 240,000 people in car crashes. We never shut down the roads, and we even knew how to stop most of the deaths - speeding, drinking, and texting. It's like nobody even cares (and they don't).



Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. They have never considered shutting down all the cigarette companies.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:27 pm
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
56052 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:27 pm to
Man, you have got to be kidding.....
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
20296 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:31 pm to
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21175 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:34 pm to
What are the downvotes for? Do yall really think the declaration is "fake?"
Posted by John88
Member since Sep 2015
6216 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:40 pm to
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:41 pm
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76376 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:42 pm to
We’re still two weeks behind Italy tho
Posted by Demshoes
Up in here
Member since Aug 2015
10203 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:53 pm to
Good premise. A tad lengthy and wordy. Overall, would not read again.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
8174 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:00 pm to
This board pretends to be tough, but in reality is made up of a bunch of miserable arse people. People that downvote mask posts while they shovel down 4,000 calories a day behind their keyboard.

Time to open everything to 100% normal. People can make decisions for themselves .Elderly protect yourselves.
Posted by CoolKat
Member since Apr 2016
387 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:36 pm to
Thanks for sharing this. As a physician, I signed it.
Posted by HamzooReb
Utah
Member since Mar 2013
12056 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:27 am to
quote:

3. Anybody under 50 with no conditions, wear a mask and wash your hands all the time


Nah I'm good
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