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re: A doc about the Indians
Posted on 1/22/22 at 12:11 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 1/22/22 at 12:11 pm to PrimeTime Money
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The U.S. let the Indians have their own land and let them be. The Indians kept encroaching on the U.S. land and kept killing and maiming people, including women and children. Horrifically mutilating them. Eventually the U.S. had enough and sent them packing for good. They made their bed.
Man, that’s a crock of shite. I’m all in favor of what the settlers did to the injuns, but it was savagery motivated by naked greed. In short, it was just what the savages did to each other.
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Posted on 1/22/22 at 12:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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What made the Indians the rightful owners of the land?
yep
I hate this line of reasoning. People have been conquering each other for literally forever. White people were just better at it
Posted on 1/22/22 at 12:12 pm to Penrod
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The U.S. let the Indians have their own land and let them be. The Indians kept encroaching on the U.S. land and kept killing and maiming people, including women and children. Horrifically mutilating them. Eventually the U.S. had enough and sent them packing for good. They made their bed.
Man, that’s a crock of shite. I’m all in favor of what the settlers did to the injuns, but it was savagery motivated by naked greed. In short, it was just what the savages did to each other.
you baws all need to watch Blazing Saddles to get an accurate history doc on how the west was developed
Posted on 1/22/22 at 12:16 pm to SUB
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The government says that the Indians don’t own the land, so they can’t be the rightful owners.
I mean. If they originally told them were the rightful owners then they changed their mind, that is kinda shitty.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 12:17 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So you'd say they were no longer the rightful owners.
Since you know, can you tell us who was the right owner back then?
Posted on 1/22/22 at 2:03 pm to SagesSon
quote:Shut up, child. The adults are trying to talk.
Sorry. I understand I am dealing with a modern-day taught, undereducated, uncomprehending prepubescent.
And I see you have a few companions from your scout troop in the thread.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 2:09 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:First off, you can be a disrespectful arse behind that keyboard and get away with it, little man. Everybody here is impressed with your Internet toughness.
You’re an idiot. Since you love facts and all I thought I’d share that one with you. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You confuse western tribes with the Cherokee.
So, you are saying the Eastern tribes did not attack Whites? They didn't rape, murder, and carry off hostages? You might want to get an actual education before calling someone else an idiot. You are obviously too stupid to converse with for very long.
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What we now recognize as the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians were one of the wealthiest groups in America at the time of removal. They were represented at all levels of government and society. They weren’t this primitive band of outlaws raiding white settlements like you’re pretending they were.
For the most part, but not all. Try again.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 2:28 pm to Falcon 8X
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First off, you can be a disrespectful arse behind that keyboard and get away with it, little man. Everybody here is impressed with your Internet toughness.
GTFO with your holier than thou attitude.
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You might want to get an actual education before calling someone else an idiot. You are obviously too stupid to converse with for very long.
My wife is EBCI. Her father is a former council member and her sister was the first to translate the newspapers of the time written in syllabary because she is one of only a dozen or so fluent speakers left. There is no one on this board more educated in Cherokee history than me. This isn’t up for debate.
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For the most part, but not all. Try again.
You’re wrong. We are talking about the events leading up to the removal and the trail of tears. You are jumping from tribe to tribe and time period to time period to justify your argument because you don’t have even the slightest understanding about what actually took place and who the Cherokee were at the time.
It is you that needs an education.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 2:39 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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My wife is EBCI. Her father is a former council member and her sister was the first to translate the newspapers of the time written in syllabary because she is one of only a dozen or so fluent speakers left. There is no one on this board more educated in Cherokee history than me. This isn’t up for debate.
You tell your wife and FIL if they are claiming the Cherokees did not stage raids on Whites. They are damned liars or are writing a novel. Not actual history.
quote:Yes, I understand what took place. My grandmother probably had more Cherokee in her than your wife.
You’re wrong. We are talking about the events leading up to the removal and the trail of tears. You are jumping from tribe to tribe and time period to time period to justify your argument because you don’t have even the slightest understanding about what actually took place and who the Cherokee were at the time.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 2:53 pm to Falcon 8X
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Yes, I understand what took place. My grandmother probably had more Cherokee in her than your wife.
LOL. The classic my grandmother was a Cherokee princess line. Elizabeth Warren uses that line. If your grandmother had more Cherokee in her, she’d be on the Baker Roll and an enrolled member. So would you be. Neither of you are.
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You tell your wife and FIL if they are claiming the Cherokees did not stage raids on Whites. They are damned liars or are writing a novel. Not actual history.
They aren’t claiming that. The Cherokee entered into several conflicts with white settlers and the federal government, almost all of which occurred decades to a century before the events that lead to the removal. To pretend as if the federal government and white settlers were without provocation or fault is the lie.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 3:24 pm to 777Tiger
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Blazing Saddles
So much truth in that movie
There was a discussion about the trail of tears the other day in a civil war thread looks like someone may have an alter …
This post was edited on 1/22/22 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 1/22/22 at 3:24 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:No, not a Cherokee Princess. Neither is your wife SIL or FIL. I doubt they have 12.5% actual Cherokee lineage
LOL. The classic my grandmother was a Cherokee princess line. Elizabeth Warren uses that line. If your grandmother had more Cherokee in her, she’d be on the Baker Roll and an enrolled member. So would you be. Neither of you are.
quote:They got their asses kicked. The victors male the rules.
They aren’t claiming that. The Cherokee entered into several conflicts with white settlers and the federal government, almost all of which occurred decades to a century before the events that lead to the removal. To pretend as if the federal government and white settlers were without provocation or fault is the lie.
They can gloss over and glorify the Cherokee history all they want. We call it revisionist history. It does not change the actual facts.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 3:26 pm to 75503Tiger
It much much worse than you stated. Jackson was a friend of my family’s and most of the frontier families due to war of 1812, (we lived in territories back then as didn’t like politics etc, and many left after whiskey rebellion and all the taxes etc,)
If you were a frontier family you had indian friends, you had too to survive. According to family lore both Daniel Boone and Davey Crockett were allies, i can only confirm Crockett. Davey and my ancestors were close friends of the Cherokees, and both families had some Cherokee blood even at this time. Cherokee’s were widely hated by most of other local tribes as they had a written language, were much paler in appearance etc, just different. So they quickly became allies of settling families as they needed allies and we needed everything. Hence, the Creek Confederation became the enemies of the settlers because we were friends of the cherokee’s.
Tecumseh, (also a distance relative per ancestry incredibly as was born to Cherokee allie’s but captured and raised by creeks ) and his brother who was a serious medicine man realized the white excursion as threat to all native americans and declared war on us all and were in the process of uniting all the tribes against us. (He was very good speaker etc.) Of course, we was completely correct.
Jackson came to his old 1812 friends and ask for help. We got the cherokee tribes to help and as a result crushed the creek confederation. The Cherokee’s were promised they could keep their lands etc. There were multiple treaties etc.
Then the pos jackson completely went nuts, after gold was discovered in Georgia “there be gold in them there hills” was from this and totally ducked the Cherokee’s and did the indian removal act etc. Davey gets beat in his re-election bud because he says this is bullshite then says frick u pricks to his constituents “i am going to Texas” and dies in the alamo with Bowie.
We (some frontier families) manage to hide some cherokee’s out in few remote mountain villages under name Smith. (Light skinned couldn’t tell. ) Weren’t discovered until 1940s or something.
We also married some of chiefs daughters so they didn’t have go on trial of tears. 2 of my great great grandmothers.
We fricked over the indian allie’s who enabled us to settle states like Georgia, North Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky, parts Arkansas etc.
It was their land as they had it first and was granted to them via treaty which the USSC has consistently said trumps everything in US law even the Constitution, in exchange for their help and support of USA.
you can google any of that . when i was young there were whole episodes in Disney Daniel Boone over many of these exact issues.
If you were a frontier family you had indian friends, you had too to survive. According to family lore both Daniel Boone and Davey Crockett were allies, i can only confirm Crockett. Davey and my ancestors were close friends of the Cherokees, and both families had some Cherokee blood even at this time. Cherokee’s were widely hated by most of other local tribes as they had a written language, were much paler in appearance etc, just different. So they quickly became allies of settling families as they needed allies and we needed everything. Hence, the Creek Confederation became the enemies of the settlers because we were friends of the cherokee’s.
Tecumseh, (also a distance relative per ancestry incredibly as was born to Cherokee allie’s but captured and raised by creeks ) and his brother who was a serious medicine man realized the white excursion as threat to all native americans and declared war on us all and were in the process of uniting all the tribes against us. (He was very good speaker etc.) Of course, we was completely correct.
Jackson came to his old 1812 friends and ask for help. We got the cherokee tribes to help and as a result crushed the creek confederation. The Cherokee’s were promised they could keep their lands etc. There were multiple treaties etc.
Then the pos jackson completely went nuts, after gold was discovered in Georgia “there be gold in them there hills” was from this and totally ducked the Cherokee’s and did the indian removal act etc. Davey gets beat in his re-election bud because he says this is bullshite then says frick u pricks to his constituents “i am going to Texas” and dies in the alamo with Bowie.
We (some frontier families) manage to hide some cherokee’s out in few remote mountain villages under name Smith. (Light skinned couldn’t tell. ) Weren’t discovered until 1940s or something.
We also married some of chiefs daughters so they didn’t have go on trial of tears. 2 of my great great grandmothers.
We fricked over the indian allie’s who enabled us to settle states like Georgia, North Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky, parts Arkansas etc.
It was their land as they had it first and was granted to them via treaty which the USSC has consistently said trumps everything in US law even the Constitution, in exchange for their help and support of USA.
you can google any of that . when i was young there were whole episodes in Disney Daniel Boone over many of these exact issues.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 1:34 am
Posted on 1/22/22 at 3:39 pm to Falcon 8X
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No, not a Cherokee Princess. Neither is your wife SIL or FIL. I doubt they have 12.5% actual Cherokee lineage
You have never performed a blood quantum test. If you had, you would be enrolled members entitled to all of the benefits. Quit lying in an attempt to give your worthless arguments more validity. For the record, my wife and her siblings have over 17% and that’s with a white mother. Our children are also fully enrolled and not first descendants.
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They got their asses kicked. The victors male the rules. They can gloss over and glorify the Cherokee history all they want. We call it revisionist history. It does not change the actual facts.
You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Treaties were signed and ignored or broken by the federal government. If anything, the Cherokee won in the end. How do you think we ended up with the EBCI? They’re descendants of those who stayed, fought, and ultimately purchased huge land grants from the federal government. They’re the only tribe in America that is technically sovereign. You’re the one attempting to re-write history by downplaying the actions of the federal government to claim some victory
Posted on 1/22/22 at 3:54 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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my wife and her siblings have over 17% and that’s with a white mother.
I told you my grandmother had more Cherokee in her than Running Dumbass and White Feather that you're basing your argument on.
17%.
"My daddy in law damn near took scalps." Go to the Robbinsville, NC area and talk that 17% crap. Real Cherokees, 100% ones, will tell your wife 'STFU, White woman and go home." They are still about 5% of the population there.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 4:05 pm to Falcon 8X
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I told you my grandmother had more Cherokee in her than Running Dumbass and White Feather that you're basing your argument on.
You said 12.5%. 17% is a higher blood quantum level you stupid motherfricker. If your grandmother was anywhere close to 12.5% she would be enrolled and so would you. You’re just another in a long line of jealous clowns.
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Go to the Robbinsville, NC area and talk that 17% crap. Real Cherokees, 100% ones, will tell your wife 'STFU, White woman and go home." They are still about 5% of the population there.
I live in fricking Bryson City you dumb bitch. My FIL was elected to council many times out of the Snowbird community. There isn’t a single 100% native person alive today you lying POS. No one says anything like that to my wife or her family. Her entire family is highly involved with tribal government and the management of tribal assets.
You don’t have a fricking clue about what you’re talking about despite that one time you visited the area
Now STFU you little dick pussy and go role play somewhere else.
This post was edited on 1/22/22 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/22/22 at 4:12 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
You okay, bro?
Posted on 1/22/22 at 4:21 pm to mattz1122
Don’t involve yourself bruh. I want to hear more about this guy’s Cherokee princess grandma and the 100% natives he knows running around Robbinsville
This post was edited on 1/22/22 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 1/22/22 at 4:33 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:I said I'll bet your wife and FIL didn't have 12.5%. Learn to read.
You said 12.5%. 17% is a higher blood quantum level you stupid motherfricker. If your grandmother was anywhere close to 12.5% she would be enrolled and so would you. You’re just another in a long line of jealous clowns.
My grandmother was a full 25%. Her grandmother was a full-blooded, 100% Cherokee. My grandmother did not run around screaming she was a Cherokee.
The Cherokees and other tribes will take anyone with the proverbial drop of Cherokee blood. Why? It builds their numbers. Strength in numbers.
17%
My God, I have almost as much as your wife. quote:
I live in fricking Bryson City you dumb bitch. My FIL was elected to council many times out of the Snowbird community. There isn’t a single 100% native person alive today you lying POS. No one says anything like that to my wife or her family. Her entire family is highly involved with tribal government and the management of tribal assets.
You don’t have a fricking clue about what you’re talking about despite that one time you visited the area
Now STFU you little dick pussy and go role play somewhere else.
We kicked their asses. Deal with it, tough guy.
What a punk you must be in real life.
quote:I know a few who would slap your head over that statement, little man. Especially some Navaho friends I have.
There isn’t a single 100% native person alive today you lying POS.
You are correct though. There are no natives. NONE! Never has been. They are Siberian immigrants. The American Continents have no native or indigenous people. Who says that? Science. So put away your tomahawk, Sequoia.
This post was edited on 1/22/22 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 1/22/22 at 4:41 pm to 75503Tiger
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Falcon 8x is a perfect example of one thing being employed in the modern day steuggle. They have shills monitoring every public discourse in an attempt to belittle any dissenters.
Are all of them as bad at it as he is?
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