re: 48 more bikers indicted in deadly shootout at Waco, Texas, Twin Peaks

You still twist the narrative to fit whatever works for you the best. You keep bring up the wallet on chains (which has been considered a Weapon in gun free zones, retarded I know but they say it's used wrapped around the fist) but they still collected 130 pistols at brawl/gun fight.

You cannot exactly let all those people go without troughly studying the use of each weapon that day and/or in connection to other crimes.

They are filthy bikers so no one cares.

The fact that so many of these liberal, anti-police loons are defending what happened here shows me that bikers have a serious image problem.

First, thanks for the solid, well thought out post.

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Does anybody know whether this Waco fiasco had Texas State LE and Federal LE involvement?

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Yes, the state and Feds were in this up to their eyeballs months before the first bike pulled up to Twin Peaks in that day. They were involved in two fronts.

1. They had infiltrated CIs into the Cossacks MC for at least a year or so before Tein Peaks. Before this the Cossacks had operated as a small club in Texas for decades with no problems with any clubs. But right after they were infiltrated by the cops, this is when the Cossacks suddenly started flying a Texas bottom rocker (knowing this would cause trouble with the Bandidos) and they even started actively instigating and stirring up trouble with the Bandidos.

2. About a year or so before Twin Peaks the state of Texas and the Feds started a joint operation to try and pin RICO charges on the Bandidos. Ironically this operation was named "Operation Texas Rocker".

The day of Twin Peaks, early that morning city, country, state and federal officers staged at a nearby truck stop. Before anyone got there they moved to Twin Peaks and even set up pole cameras to catch what they knew was coming, namely a fight started by the Cossacks against the Bandidos at the COC meeting that day.

The Bandidos did not know the Cossacks were coming or that they would be attacked when they arrived. In fact, nobody from the COC or any MC knew the Cossacks were coming. As you can see in the videos from the last thread, the Cossacks arrived at Twin Peaks before the Bandidos. They set up in both the parking lot and the patio right next to the parking lot. In the video you can see the Cossacks are on edge, watching the entrance to the parking lot while they wait for the Bandidos to arrive. You can even see one Cossack fidgeting with his pistol in anticipation of what he knew was coming. Once the Bandidos started arriving the first few in the parking lot were surrounded and attacked with everything from fists to knives and even guns. This is the point all hell broke loose. The cops who already were in position and had the place surrounded opened fire. When the firing stopped 9 people were dead and something like 30 or so were wounded. That's when the cops closed in and arrested every biker they could find. It didn't matter if they were not in either club and had nothing to do with anything that happened. They arrested them all, charged them all with capital felonies and even found a justice of the peace (who was an ex-cop with zero legal training) to set everyone's bond at $1,000,000.

Here's the key fact of that day. Two groups knew there was going to be a fight that day. The cops and the Cossacks who the cops basically controlled. And the target they went after just so happened to be the same club the state of Texas and the FBI were trying to build a RICO case against.

As for the Cossacks, they were simply pawns in all this. They were a tool used by the cops. Once things went down at Twin Peaks, their usefulness was finished. The cops mowed them down in the parking lot without hesitating. And then the rest were thrown in jail and charged like everyone else.

That in a nutshell is the whole story of the Twin Peaks massacre.

I get why you'd want to ride a motorcycle or ride with buds but the dress up part and clubhouse stuff with ranking members boggles me. It is still pretty stupid for grown men, those not involved in 1% gangs/clubs/whatever, with plenty to lose, to want to dress up like a 1%er and place themselves in situations with known 1%ers. I mean, for frick's sake, anybody with half a brain should have been able to see cops all around, trouble brewing on the patio way before shite broke loose, and said "I'm outta here."

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get why you'd want to ride a motorcycle or ride with buds but the dress up part and clubhouse stuff with ranking members boggles me.

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To be honest. It's not something you can explain to someone. Either you get it, or you don't. And there's nothing wrong with that. The biker and especially the MC life is not for everyone. Different strokes and all that.

For me, it started with first a love of motorcycles from my childhood. Along with this was the brotherhood and structure I saw in the club I joined right after I came off active duty in the early 90s.

And I'll say one more thing. Close to 99% of what you see and hear about MCs in the media and on TV is pure bullshite.

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I get why you'd want to ride a motorcycle or ride with buds but the dress up part and clubhouse stuff with ranking members boggles me. It is still pretty stupid for grown men, those not involved in 1% gangs/clubs/whatever, with plenty to lose, to want to dress up like a 1%er and place themselves in situations with known 1%ers. I mean, for frick's sake, anybody with half a brain should have been able to see cops all around, trouble brewing on the patio way before shite broke loose, and said "I'm outta here.

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Agree, for most guys on bikes wearing patches and shite it's nothing more than the weirdos that do the Live Action Role Playing mediviel battles.

True old school MCs are the real deal but most people just want to wear a patch. That's what 95% of problems in the biker world and in the public eye stem from these days. Look up the Iron Order MC if you want the ultimate example of idiots and wannabes dressing up to play biker.

I've never really understood the draw of clubs but I've also been in the military my entire adult life so I've always had a good group of loyal guys to ride with. Most of all though there are so many regulations in the Army that when I get some free time on my bike the last thing I want to have to deal with is rules, mandatory runs, chapter politics and shite.

My brother claims that all of the bikers are innocent. That the weapons recovered were planted by cops and all of the spent rounds were from police weapons. That this all a ambush set up by the police.

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My brother claims that all of the bikers are innocent. That the weapons recovered were planted by cops and all of the spent rounds were from police weapons. That this all a ambush set up by the police.

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You're brother must ride bitch to the Bandidos like Darth_Vader.