re: 2 black guys arrested at a Philadelphia Starbucks by 8 cops

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Because people are praising them all over the Internet. There are not thousands upon thousands of comments criticizing them and Starbucks for their actions.

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No body is surprised that the left is blowing this WAY out of proportion.

Internet warriors such as yourself don’t make a consensus.

I don’t see the harm. Two guys were breaking the law by loitering in a place of business with no intentions of paying for any goods or services offered by said business. Cops are called and the whole situation is handled without any violence.

What am I missing?

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I'm speculating

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What's sad is that there has been constant news coverage of this for 3 days, all based purely on speculation.

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I don’t see the harm. Two guys were breaking the law by loitering in a place of business with no intentions of paying for any goods or services offered by said business. Cops are called and the whole situation is handled without any violence.

What am I missing?

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I don't get it either. I am totally missing what the issue is here.

Seems like everyone handled it correctly but the two punks.

Holly Hylton- a glorious specimen indeed

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What am I missing?

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I don't think it's fair at all to judge the Philly PD. They were asked to remove some people and they did it professionally and safety.

The fun part of this debate is trying to discern whether the 'tresspassing' call made by the Starbucks manager/employee is consistent with how they normally do business. And, if it's not consistent, did race play a role in the inconsistency?

Remember: 'it's my business, my call' was a perfectly good rule of thumb until some people held on to Jim Crow a little too long, and now there's Federal rules governing it.


So, with that in mind, was this:

Scenario 1: Two people were in a place of business without ever intending to be customers. This is almost universally not acceptable at any business. However,one of the rare types of businesses where can be acceptable are coffee shops - the most famous of which is Starbucks. Facts have come out stating that this is a management call and up to individual Starbucks to determine and there is no corporate wide policy for hanging out not paying at Starbucks (if not actively causing a problem).

Scenario 2: 2 people were in a place of business, waiting for the remainder of the party to arrive. At most places this is acceptable, with the exception of certain restaurants where it is typically posted that the 'entire the party must be present before seating'. Starbucks is pretty universally not that type of restaurants. In fact, the business model at Starbucks accepts a certain degree of hanging out (in the early days that's how they branded themselves as 'different' than other coffee shops - they offered an 'experience' and not just coffee).

Given the third party did show up (although after the police arrived), this was scenario 2. However, since the third guy didn't show up until after the police were on the scene, it's impossible to know whether or not the staff knew that at the time of the police call.

So, what you have is the police arresting two individuals who appeared (at least to the other people in that store) to be doing something that is pretty universally acceptable at a Starbucks.

You'll never know if the motivation was racial, and if so, to what degree. But, since it's too close for comfort Starbucks is going to pay their way out of the news as quick as possible.

For the rest of us, lets still have fun debating it!

Wtf am I supposed to do if I want Starbucks the afternoon of May 29?

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Wtf am I supposed to do if I want Starbucks the afternoon of May 29?

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You need to take that time to reflect on your white privilege and donate that money you were going to spend at Starbucks to a person of color.

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don’t see the harm. Two guys were breaking the law by loitering in a place of business with no intentions of paying for any goods or services offered by said business. Cops are called and the whole situation is handled without any violence.

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What am I missing?

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"Why do you hate black people?"
- the left

Maybe these guys knew what would happen and were looking for a payout.

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Maybe these guys knew what would happen and were looking for a payout.

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So they did something that people do at Starbucks all over America every day, THAT was their plan for a big payout?


You're going well out of your way to make sure you point the finger at those 2 dudes, congrats on that.