re: 1990 US Desert Storm armed forces vs 2025 US armed forces: Who wins?

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Put a full set of chem gear in a pile in front of both sides. First man to don said gear, clear his mask and be ready to fight in an CNB environment wins

Point to Desert Storm vets

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The ODS vets (at the time) would have had no idea what you were talking about when you said CBRN; they would perk up if you said NBC, though.

Outside of actually being shot at MOPP 4 in the desert is one of the most miserable things in the military, except maybe taking off your mask in the "gas chamber" then going outside into August heat in a place like Bragg or Leonard Wood.

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So an F14 could not take out 3 5th Gen fighters in a dogfight?

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Nope. 2. You need an F18 for the third.

As soon as the planes began to engage, the F-35 and F-22s would walk through the aircraft from 1990 with very little effort

Even ground troops from today have better weapons, gear, technology.

Drones from now days would dominate all artillery from the 90s

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Army is half the size it used to be, and we carried 4 times as many top of the line (for the era) main battle tanks.

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Facing modern armor, artillery, and airpower and coming with massive logistical tail I'm not sure a 4 to 1 advantage in obsolete armor actually is an advantage and honestly seems like a liability.

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unorganized Somali militia with 0 advanced military tech laid waste to the Rangers/Delta Force/Seals in Mogadishu

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lol let's not get carried away. plus that wasnt anything approaching total war, which is what we are talking about here.

laid waste. lol, ok.

because the mission wasnt to wipe out the Somali hordes, you moron.

please tell me how exactly the Somalis neutralized American tech and air superiority. i'm all ears.

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US SOF suffered 100 casualties >70% rate in 24 hours fighting a hordeof guerilla insurgents with little to no training/coordination in an urban firefight

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And that was with little warning, enough supplies for a short snatch and grab mission, and being scattered around the AO in a mission that went sideways from the start. Oh, and regardless of the quality of their opponents there were thousands of them. What military would do a better job in the same exact situation?

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You moron, I never said they did. What I did was reference an example of the most highly trained military units on the planet taking on a pseudo-street gang in CQB without air/tech superiority and the end result was one of the most embarrassing military ops in US/UN history

And technically, they did eliminate air support via RPGs...but given the timing of the attempted extraction + urban setting, most CAS weren't feasible due to potential collateral damage. Which is ironic because the HELO's mistakenly firing on Somali elder non-combatants is what led to the escalation in the first place

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you're using it as an example of how our military was "laid waste" to by a group of guerillas in a discussion of how the 1991 US military would fare against the 2025 military. it's not even apples to oranges. it's like apples to Volkswagens. the American raiding force, a company sized element, was ambushed in Somalia and completely unprepared for fighting a regiment size force. you can make a million very legitimate points about planning, complacency, arrogance, unpreparedness, etc, but implying that the Somali hordes somehow neutralized the Americans in a straight up fight is ludicrous. the only people that neutralized American capabilities in Somalia were other Americans. if the mission had been to wipe out Mogadishu, there would have been nothing left and probably no American casualties at all.

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2025 can win with drone tech alone .

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No way. Every drone in the inventory couldn't carry enough payload to wipe out the entire 1990 military.