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re: 17 Deplorable Examples of White Privilege
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:17 pm to The Third Leg
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:17 pm to The Third Leg
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Perhaps the goal should be to make career criminals productive through treatment and prevention, assuming the narcotics are the root of the problem as has been sold.
It may have been sold that way, but you and I both know the problems are far more complex.
I don't disagree we are creating a prison culture, but damn, we are all sick and tired of criminals running the show. When little Johnny steals that car, the insurance rates go up for a whole zip code. Then we find out it's his third offense? Eff him, lock him up and throw away the key.
We are willing to pay more to jail criminals-we have voted with our tax dollars.
Everyone is open to better ideas, we just need to see some.
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:17 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Why do we put people in jail on our dime for doing drugs? They aren't selling drugs. They aren't making drugs. They are personally using drugs.
How about we provide better treatment options and not arrest these people. I promise it will save us billions.
If you want to argue the merits of actual laws, that's one thing, and i will probably agree with you. But stating that it's because i was brought up white, is why i'm not in jail, is asinine. I'm not in jail because my parents raised me better. And that is the whole key. Quit relying on others to raise your kids. "It takes a village" doesn't mean rely on someone else to raise your kids because you are too lazy to show them any attention.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:18 pm to BugAC
The act of using narcotics is a fricking crime, wanker. 
Whites are committing this crime just as prolifically as blacks. Yet blacks are being locked up for it at much higher rates.
If you do not understand how this is deemed a white privilege, I cannot help you.
Whites are committing this crime just as prolifically as blacks. Yet blacks are being locked up for it at much higher rates.
If you do not understand how this is deemed a white privilege, I cannot help you.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:19 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:Yeah, but it's all the same origin. Blacks were shipped to America against their will, enslaved, and then sort of freed. I say "sort of" because, by and large, they weren't allowed to acculturate. They had very little privileges and were largely rejected by society. What happened in the 50s & 60s was just a trickling down of that. Hell, Woodrow Wilson was a huge, huge racist, and he was a president. And of course everyone knows that about Hoover. So racism was handed down through the generations systematically to a group of people who were brought here unwillingly. If we expected any other result than exactly what we got, shame on us.
Now 50s/60s racism is still fresh and lots of people have experienced that. Being pissed from that still is understandable IMO.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:22 pm to N2cars
I don't have all the answers. But I do know this:
The United States of America was long considered the holy grail of criminal justice. Countries from near and far came here to study our methodology to learn how to deal with societal ills.
Those same nation states now look at what our criminal justice system has morphed into with utter disdain, as if it is a severe scar on he face of the most powerful, richest place to ever exist.
The United States of America was long considered the holy grail of criminal justice. Countries from near and far came here to study our methodology to learn how to deal with societal ills.
Those same nation states now look at what our criminal justice system has morphed into with utter disdain, as if it is a severe scar on he face of the most powerful, richest place to ever exist.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:28 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
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Yeah, but it's all the same origin. Blacks were shipped to America against their will, enslaved, and then sort of freed. I say "sort of" because, by and large, they weren't allowed to acculturate. They had very little privileges and were largely rejected by society. What happened in the 50s & 60s was just a trickling down of that. Hell, Woodrow Wilson was a huge, huge racist, and he was a president. And of course everyone knows that about Hoover. So racism was handed down through the generations systematically to a group of people who were brought here unwillingly. If we expected any other result than exactly what we got, shame on us.
Okay, so my own african teacher's reply to every damn 'racist'/'privileged' remark is:
Why do you complain about white privilege when blacks have it too. What minority benefits from affirmative action?
If you hate it in 'racist white-ran' america so much, why do you stay here? Why not go to Canada, Mexico, hell why not go back to Africa?
This is the 21st century and if half of the white folks walked down to Xavier University where it is like 99% black and 1% asian, they'd be given dirty looks and all the condescending things black people say that white people do to them (how do I know? I've seen it for myself NUMEROUS times). Racism is a two-way road, but one race gets to freely speak about it without getting condemned or told "you don't know how it feels"
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:29 pm to The Third Leg
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The act of using narcotics is a fricking crime, wanker.
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Whites are committing this crime just as prolifically as blacks. Yet blacks are being locked up for it at much higher rates.
If you do not understand how this is deemed a white privilege, I cannot help you.
Again, no matter what race you are, STOP BREAKING THE LAW. Stupidity is not going to tug on my heartstrings. Regardless of race, if you do drugs, you are committing a crime, then don't do it. If you do it, don't be surprised if your arse gets locked up.
I know that speeding is against the law, but i still do it from time to time. When i get pulled over, i don't blame black people or asians for me breaking the speed limit.
You are basically making a child's argument. You get busted by the cops and say, "well Jerry is doing it too". Well they didn't catch Jerry, they caught you. And if you didn't break the law, you wouldn't be in jail. Ergo, following the law has no racial barrier. Either do, or do not.
Now arguing the merits of what should or shouldn't be a crime is another thing.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:30 pm to BugAC
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If you want to argue the merits of actual laws, that's one thing, and i will probably agree with you
The CJ system fricks over black, white, asian...doesn't matter. It's all about fricking over the citizens. Blacks have disproportionately bore the brunt of it because they generally don't have the funds to afford a decent attorney and selling drugs is an easy way to make a quick buck.
Probably doesn't matter if you're white or black, but if you have the money it's fairly easy to get out of a possession or even distribution charge. Folks who have to rely on the public defender are fricked.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:33 pm to The Third Leg
The Third Leg
Both jobs I work especially, with fire dept, which runs ambulance, I go into poor black neighborhoods all the time. There are some that are truly dirt poor, as in, grass grows in living room, no cars, no electricity, and all the kids sleeping on literal dirt, in the house, in one room with no pillows. It's a shame and truly bothers me to see that. You also have to realize whites lived like that for hundreds of years in this country and fortunately, most Americans don't.
My big problem is in the 60s, blacks were killed and beaten trying to get a better life for their kids and now, I'm just guessing, but 60-70% maybe, wear baggie pants, talk like an idiot, and could care less about school. I mean blacks didn't act like that 30-40 years ago and now they have a lot better education, healthcare, can vote, and this is what happens? It's crap, and black dads need to take care of their damn kids, act like an adult, and speak like one.
I'm personally ashamed blacks had to sit in back of bus, go to crappy schools, crappy hospitals,etc. but I'm more ashamed that their grandparents and great grandparents fought their asses off, well for the most part, for nothing.
Both jobs I work especially, with fire dept, which runs ambulance, I go into poor black neighborhoods all the time. There are some that are truly dirt poor, as in, grass grows in living room, no cars, no electricity, and all the kids sleeping on literal dirt, in the house, in one room with no pillows. It's a shame and truly bothers me to see that. You also have to realize whites lived like that for hundreds of years in this country and fortunately, most Americans don't.
My big problem is in the 60s, blacks were killed and beaten trying to get a better life for their kids and now, I'm just guessing, but 60-70% maybe, wear baggie pants, talk like an idiot, and could care less about school. I mean blacks didn't act like that 30-40 years ago and now they have a lot better education, healthcare, can vote, and this is what happens? It's crap, and black dads need to take care of their damn kids, act like an adult, and speak like one.
I'm personally ashamed blacks had to sit in back of bus, go to crappy schools, crappy hospitals,etc. but I'm more ashamed that their grandparents and great grandparents fought their asses off, well for the most part, for nothing.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:39 pm to BugAC
My god.
It's not about the merits of the law, it is about uneven application of law.
Let's define privilege: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
Let's circle back to NYC - America's business epicenter and crown jewel international city
The reason their jails are flooded with blacks is because whites weren't stopped and frisked much, even though their own huge glut of police data showed them whites carry weapons at higher rates.
So, why weren't the police stopping yuppies outside of clubs in the meat packing district to root out illegalities just as hey stopped blacks in harlem? Do you think they would not have discovered much cocaine in the process?
This defines privilege.
It's not about the merits of the law, it is about uneven application of law.
Let's define privilege: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
Let's circle back to NYC - America's business epicenter and crown jewel international city
The reason their jails are flooded with blacks is because whites weren't stopped and frisked much, even though their own huge glut of police data showed them whites carry weapons at higher rates.
So, why weren't the police stopping yuppies outside of clubs in the meat packing district to root out illegalities just as hey stopped blacks in harlem? Do you think they would not have discovered much cocaine in the process?
This defines privilege.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:42 pm to windshieldman
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I'm personally ashamed blacks had to sit in back of bus, go to crappy schools, crappy hospitals,etc. but I'm more ashamed that their grandparents and great grandparents fought their asses off, well for the most part, for nothing.
I don't disagree with much of what you say. That said, these are systemic issues and a host of problems and actions has fueled this epidemic.
I am merely stating that locking them up at prolific rates is not solving this issue.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:43 pm to The Third Leg
I'm not trying to sound horrible here but shouldn't it be called "Not Being Black" privilege? These observations aren't suffered by Asians and to a much lesser extent Latinos.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:46 pm to Antonio Moss
I agree, Antonio.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:46 pm to The Third Leg
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I am merely stating that locking them up at prolific rates is not solving this issue.
I can see your point, the war on drugs is stupid anyways.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:46 pm to The Third Leg
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My god.
It's not about the merits of the law, it is about uneven application of law.
Let's define privilege: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
Let's circle back to NYC - America's business epicenter and crown jewel international city
The reason their jails are flooded with blacks is because whites weren't stopped and frisked much, even though their own huge glut of police data showed them whites carry weapons at higher rates.
So, why weren't the police stopping yuppies outside of clubs in the meat packing district to root out illegalities just as hey stopped blacks in harlem? Do you think they would not have discovered much cocaine in the process?
Again, if they didn't break the law, would they be in jail?
It's easy to blame white people or say it's unfair, because that allows the individual to not take responsibility for their own actions.
Freedom is color blind. Abide by the countries laws, and no matter what color, you will be free.
Me being white or you being black has nothing to do whether or not you decide to break a law.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:47 pm to BugAC
You are a politicians wet dream.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:49 pm to The Third Leg
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It's not about the merits of the law, it is about uneven application of law.
I absolutely do not disagree.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:50 pm to DrTyger
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"Son, why did you rob this liquor store?"
"It's because of the effects of 9/11!"
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:58 pm to The Third Leg
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You are a politicians wet dream.
Actually, politicians depend on people who refuse to take accountability for their own actions, and beg for government interference.
Again, if you want to argue the merits of the law, then we can.
The real injustice is the black community as a whole. Not that they are being treated unfairly, but that they are responsible for the cycle of poverty in their neighborhoods. This isn't some big revelation. It's been stated several times and there are multiple surveys that show that a very large percentage of black kids grow up in single parent homes. The culture of the black male getting a woman pregnant and leaving is the reason for the escalating rates of crime and incarceration. Now of course this doesn't go for all black familys, and there are many respectable families that grew up the same way i did and are successful. But the majority of those living off the government, living in squaler, and having multiple kids with multiple dads leads to the cycle.
That is the issue you should be concerned with. Not that "blacks are caught more than whites". It's not white peoples fault that, for the most part, the black culture is stuck in decline.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:01 pm to Tornado Alley
The ape poster was referencing joining the army to fight germany. Why are they referencing black people in this?
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