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re: Zach Cunningham > Reuben Foster?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:11 pm to Throbinhood
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:11 pm to Throbinhood
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You're seriously the worst. Your issues with Foster are boarderline obsessive and ridiculous. You pick and chose certain articles and only scouting reviews that fit your narrative.
Yes, the only purpose of any scouting report is written with the sole purpose to blow the player being discussed.
At first it was I was just making up injury concerns with Foster, now its I'm cherry picking quotes discussing those concerns when its becoming talked about more & more? You are a joke. Foster just had surgery on his shoulder but all is well. He is not injury prone though!!!!!
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He couldn't have got to Watson in time, plus you don't have a clue what his assignment was. Not a clue
Doesn't seem like Foster has a clue what his assignment neither does he know the assignments of his teammates which a good MLB should know. There are 3 defensive backs to right side. 2 are responsible for the receivers, the other takes out the running back. Mike Williams is the only eligible receiver to left & he covered. Foster has no coverage responsibilities because of the formation & personnel of Clemson. As soon as he sees Watson begin to roll out, he should have immediately went downhill towards Watson at least to apply pressure.
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From looking, they are in man so he had Legett, so no he wasn't "freelancing" with "no one to cover".
Micah Fitzpatrick has Jordan Leggett in coverage. Fitzpatrick only turns towards the corner of the endzone once the ball is throw. Try again.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 4:41 am
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:15 pm to BigBrod81
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Foster just had surgery on his shoulder but all is well. He is not injury prone though!!!!!
how many games has he missed due to injury? 12 tackles and a sack in the national championship game with a torn rotator cuff, didn't miss a game all season...yea what a bum
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Doesn't seem like Foster has a clue what his assignment neither does he know the assignments of his teammates which a good MLB should know
are you serious right now? All of these scouts and analysts are wrong? Does that seem more likely than BigBrod M.D. being wrong? If everyone you meet is an a-hole, then it's probably you that's the a-hole. I think that applies here
You literally brought up a sleeve on his arm as a cause for concern earlier, your bias against there guy for whatever reason (j/k, we know why) is palpable at this point
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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well that's Christian Kirk in the gif I posted, and he's in his hip pocket.
He also had bracket coverage help to his outside shoulder that forced Kirk to flatten his route back into Foster. The defensive coverage dictated to Trevor Knight to throw the ball elsewhere instead he tried to force a pass to a receiver who was covered underneath & over the top.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:28 pm to BigBrod81
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He also had bracket coverage help to his outside shoulder that forced Kirk to flatten his route back into Foster.
Foster is with him the whole time, does his job, and breaks up the pass. You post a gif of Foster "doing nothing" on an outside pick route earlier but can't acknowledge he sticks with an elite receiver in the other gif.
I think my case is closed
I mean you posted this as bad play foster
and don't acknowledge this as good play foster
need I really say anymore?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:33 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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how many games has he missed due to injury?
How many games did he exit & snaps did he miss because of injury? Too many to count.
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12 tackles and a sack in the national championship game with a torn rotator cuff, didn't miss a game all season
His missed a tackle on the screen to Deon Cain that gave Clemson's offense momentum. He got burned later by Jordan Leggett on a big 3rd & 10 then a few plays later missed a tackle where Watson scored. Not to mention he sat on his arse, watching the final play unfold in front of him.
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All of these scouts and analysts are wrong?
I guess they are wrong about their medical concerns, leading with the crown of his helmet as well as the one NFC scout who doesn't project him as a MLB in the NFL right?
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If everyone you meet is an a-hole, then it's probably you that's the a-hole. I think that applies here
I'm so sorry to inform you that this simply isn't the case.
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your bias against there guy for whatever reason (j/k, we know why
Why don't you enlighten me to what this alleged bias is supposed be?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:36 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:51 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Foster is with him the whole time, does his job, and breaks up the pass.
He is able to stay with Kirk because the corner over the top funnels Kirk back into him. Sorry that is hard for you to understand. Without the help over the top, Kirk is able to run his route deeper to get separation. Trevor Knight should have never made the throw to begin with though because Kirk was bracketed. It was a terrible read on his part.
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Foster is with him the whole time, does his job, and breaks up the pass.
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You post a gif of Foster "doing nothing" on an outside pick route
One the DB's shadows the RB out of the backfield & takes him out. Fitzpatrick has Jordan Leggett. That means no one has Foster as their responsibility in pass pro. A good MLB would have known his teammates assignments & understood the offense's blocking responsibilities presnap. Foster does none of this & basically jogs around on the play.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:51 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 3/1/17 at 7:38 am to BUGAtGOAT
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Foster isnt a playmaker.
That's asinine.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 8:15 am to BigBrod81
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One the DB's shadows the RB out of the backfield & takes him out. Fitzpatrick has Jordan Leggett. That means no one has Foster as their responsibility in pass pro. A good MLB would have known his teammates assignments & understood the offense's blocking responsibilities presnap. Foster does none of this & basically jogs around on the play.
Your lack of ability to actually recognize what is going on in this play, shows you don't know much about actual football.
In the first pic, the two DB on the top are in man. Fitzpatrick is outside edge of the TE, and taking the TE UNLESS the RB crosses his face. It's a basic man technique. Foster has the RB first, unless he goes outside where Fitzpatrick will pick him up.
The guy you think has the RB (DB's shadows the RB out of the backfield & takes him out) does not. That is the OLB Ryan Anderson. His job is obviously to contain Watson from getting the edge and running in. He doesn't "take out the RB". He is simply staying outside of him to not get sealed from the edge. He is rushing the QB.
Now the second pic you can see that Anderson is keeping contain. Fitzpatrick now has the RB and Foster has the TE. Even if Foster does blow his assignment and blitz, Leggett is staying in the block him. The fact you think it is remotely a mess up by Foster shows your incompetence. There is nothing anyone near the line could have done to change the outcome of that play.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:00 pm to Throbinhood
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In the first pic, the two DB on the top are in man.
No shite. It's actually man across the field but of course you knew that right?
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Fitzpatrick is outside edge of the TE, and taking the TE UNLESS the RB crosses his face. It's a basic man technique.
With the RB Wayne Gallman going lateral to the line of scrimmage after the snap of the ball, there is no chance of him ever crossing Fitzpatrick's face which is why Fitzpatrick immediately man's up on Leggett & is why Anderson takes on Gallman. Once Watson leaves outside the tackle box, he is considered a runner & Gallman can be viewed as a lead blocker. Anderson does the correct thing by hitting Gallman which prevents him from being able to leak out as a receiver. Fitzpatrick & Anderson play their two man game as perfect as you can play it. Foster on the other hand does nothing.
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The fact you think it is remotely a mess up by Foster shows your incompetence. There is nothing anyone near the line could have done to change the outcome of that play.
Wrong. With Watson rolling out, the offensive play design takes away one side of the field. Mike Williams, on the near side is covered regardless, leaving no other eligible receiver to cover on this side. Because of the alignment of both the defense & offense, Foster has no one to cover. His job at the snap basically becomes to spy Watson. If Foster would have recognized what Clemson was doing presnap & knew the responsibilities of his own teammates, he could have made a charge for Watson since he had no coverage responsibilities once Deshaun begins to roll out.
Again, if Foster makes the right presnap read, he would have noticed that Clemson would be vulnerable guarding the C gap to the right side. Look at your own picture & circles idiot. Alabama has five defenders to that to cover 4 eligible receivers if we are counting Foster. It's a simple numbers game in a man coverage concept yet Foster can't even process simple mathematics presnap.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:22 pm to BigBrod81
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BigBrod81
Seriously, there is so much stupid in what you just said.....
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With the RB Wayne Gallman going lateral to the line of scrimmage after the snap of the ball, there is no chance of him ever crossing Fitzpatrick's face which is why Fitzpatrick
You do realize that is exactly what Gallman did right? Well actually you don't since you obviously don't know what the term, crossing the face means. Fitzpatrick is not even looking at Leggett after the snap. He is waiting to see if Gallman releases on a flood route once he is outside of Leggett.
Of course it's man but assignments, even in man can change after the snap.
Your whole stupid and wrong argument centers around you not understanding that Anderson does not have Gallman. There is zero in the formation, way the players react, or anything that would suggest Anderson has Gallman. Anderson is in no way man to man with Gallman. Gallman stays in to block him but that is the play design and doesn't effect Alabama's scheme. Leggett chips him on the snap. Does that mean he is man up with Leggett? No
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he could have made a charge for Watson
Who say's "make a charge"?
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Again, if Foster makes the right presnap read, he would have noticed that Clemson would be vulnerable guarding the C gap to the right side
Legget is literally standing and waiting for someone to rush. Anyone tries going thru the C gap, Leggett makes a helf arse block and Watson still has plenty of time to make the pass. Watson had the ball for less that 2 seconds. I don't care if it's Ray lewis at MLB, he isn't effecting that play. There is no "Clemson would be vulnerable guarding the C gap".
Foster stole your girl? Had sex with you mom? He obviously did something to you for you to be this delusional.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 4:21 pm to Throbinhood
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Throbinhood
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You do realize that is exactly what Gallman did right?
Negative. He crosses Anderson's face, not Fitzpatrick's which is when Anderson hits him as he crosses. Try again dumbass.
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Anderson does not have Gallman.
So why does Anderson stay with Gallman the whole time if he isn't guarding him?
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anything that would suggest Anderson has Gallman.
Are you serious? Anderson follows him out to the hash mark & hits Gallman at the hash when it appears he turns up field.
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He is waiting to see if Gallman releases on a flood route once he is outside of Leggett.
Of course it's man but assignments, even in man can change after the snap.
Your whole stupid and wrong argument centers around you not understanding that Anderson does not have Gallman. There is zero in the formation, way the players react, or anything that would suggest Anderson has Gallman. Anderson is in no way man to man with Gallman.
This is completely wrong. First off, at what point is Gallman ever blocking in the play?
Secondly, Fitzpatrick is waiting for Leggett to release & cross his face but Leggett doesn't block anyone or go run a route.
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Anderson is in no way man to man with Gallman. Gallman stays in to block him but that is the play design and doesn't effect Alabama's scheme. Leggett chips him on the snap. Does that mean he is man up with Leggett? No
Watson has a run pass option on the play. Gallman could be a receiver or blocker. It all depends on what Watson does. At no point does he ever just do one of the two. This is why Anderson knocks him backwards.
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Foster stole your girl? Had sex with you mom? He obviously did something to you for you to be this delusional.
No but you certainly toss Foster's salad & chased it down with his man gravy.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 10:52 pm to BigBrod81
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Led all FBS linebackers in run-stop percentage in the 2016 season
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He graded well in all three phases of defense, most notably posting the highest overall and run-defense grades among FBS LBs, as well as the eighth-highest pass-coverage grade among LBs with at least 300 coverage snaps played. His athleticism is evident in all phases, as he has the quickness and change of direction needed to be an effective pass-rusher (he posted 22 total pressures in 2016 on just 93 rushes). He excels in all forms of coverage, but most notably in man, as his speed and closing ability allow him to consistently stay with backs and TEs and make plays on the ball.
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Player Comparison: Patrick Willis, LB, 49ers (2007–2014 seasons)
High praise, but it’s a reflection on Foster’s ability to do everything. He has the top-end athleticism that Willis had, which allows him to play sideline-to-sideline and cover running backs, tight ends and slot receivers, as well as the strength and physicality needed to consistently take on and beat blocks on inside runs.
Bro you need to talk to these guys and show them those gifs you found and that picture of foster wearing a sleeve on his arm. The kid has everyone fooled except you.
Willis scored a 12 on his wonderlic, in the event you were wondering...since Foster is too dumb to call a defense
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 3/2/17 at 7:01 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Riseupfromtherubble
It's behind hopeless to try and discuss actual football things with BigBrod. He has shown time and time again he has zero ability to actually see what is happening on a football field. The fact that he thinks what he thinks on the last TD by Clemson shows to everyone that he is a moron. Also don't show any other opinions or reviews of Foster from anyone that says Foster is a great LB. He will simply ignore them and post a random GIF of Foster missing a tackle on practice squad as a freshman to discredit them.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:21 am to ChaChingBoyd
If Foster is there....Would he be more important to our D than a DB or a DE (although it appears all the top DEs will be gone at 11)?
I know Foster is a great athlete...not sure he will be Patrick Willis, but if he is remotely close he will be a huge upgrade! Knowing his style of play WILL cause him to be injured, maybe limiting to a 3-5 year career, is he worth the 11th pick?
That puts us through the Brees era and a possible Super Bowl run!
I know Foster is a great athlete...not sure he will be Patrick Willis, but if he is remotely close he will be a huge upgrade! Knowing his style of play WILL cause him to be injured, maybe limiting to a 3-5 year career, is he worth the 11th pick?
That puts us through the Brees era and a possible Super Bowl run!
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:19 am to ChaChingBoyd
Cunningham is going to be a great pro IMO.
He was everywhere for Vandy and showed up at the biggest moments. Incredibly smart player, good size, nose for the ball and dissecting plays, and clutch.
Good ball skills too.
I would fricking love the Saints to draft him. I think Foster is a violent MLB that will be great as well, but he is a moron and will hurt himself with his spear tackles.
He was everywhere for Vandy and showed up at the biggest moments. Incredibly smart player, good size, nose for the ball and dissecting plays, and clutch.
Good ball skills too.
I would fricking love the Saints to draft him. I think Foster is a violent MLB that will be great as well, but he is a moron and will hurt himself with his spear tackles.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:46 pm to ChaChingBoyd
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Zach Cunningham > Reuben Foster?
Yes
Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:01 pm to ChaChingBoyd
Most certainly. The tape doesn't lie and the solo tackles/range are a thing to be marveled at.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 4:35 pm to ChaChingBoyd
Cunningham's missed tackles and lack of desired play strength could bother teams, but his consistent production is hard to ignore. Cunningham is a rangy, three-down linebacker who has a nose for the ball and special teams value. His downhill approach is made for attacking 4-3 defenses and Cunningham could become a good, early starter as a run-and-chase weak-side linebacker.
Foster is a vicious hitter with elite playmaking range and an ability to toggle between 225 and 240 pounds. Athleticism gives him cover ability that former teammate Reggie Ragland never possessed. Has Pro Bowl potential as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 weak-side linebacker, but concerns over his medical history could be a consideration, according to some teams.
Foster is a vicious hitter with elite playmaking range and an ability to toggle between 225 and 240 pounds. Athleticism gives him cover ability that former teammate Reggie Ragland never possessed. Has Pro Bowl potential as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 weak-side linebacker, but concerns over his medical history could be a consideration, according to some teams.
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