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re: Zach Cunningham > Reuben Foster?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 2:58 pm to breauxmosexual
Posted on 2/28/17 at 2:58 pm to breauxmosexual
Cunningham missed 1 tackle every 9.7 attempts. That just screams Kuechly
Some people bitch about Foster's (corrected) technique, but at least he's getting backs on the ground and not doing this
Tackling is technique and attitude. Missing over 10% of your tackle attempts isn't really good
Some people bitch about Foster's (corrected) technique, but at least he's getting backs on the ground and not doing this
Tackling is technique and attitude. Missing over 10% of your tackle attempts isn't really good
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 3:01 pm
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:01 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Didn't Debo lead the SEC in missed tackle % last season.
Idk enough about Cunningham, but that stat isn't necessarily a fair representation of the player. Scheme and surrounding talent play huge factors.
Idk enough about Cunningham, but that stat isn't necessarily a fair representation of the player. Scheme and surrounding talent play huge factors.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:02 pm to TigerBait1127
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Scheme and surrounding talent play huge factors.
How does this factor into tackling? A missed tackle means Cunningham should've tackled a guy and didn't. That's man-to-man
And jones did miss a lot of tackles, but I chalk a lot of them up to Debo not being very big and not wrapping guys up. He was always an aggressive player that stuck his nose in there. Cunningham is an arm tackler, which is a bigger red flag imo
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:09 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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How does this factor into tackling?
Are you kidding?
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A missed tackle means Cunningham should've tackled a guy and didn't. That's man-to-man
And if he's put in a poor position to make a tackle after shedding a blocker and moving through crap, that will greatly increase a missed tackle
Defensive lineman in front of good linebackers is absolutely crucial to ensuring that those linebackers are able to put themselves in a position for a high percentage tackle
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And jones did miss a lot of tackles, but I chalk a lot of them up to Debo not being very big and not wrapping guys up. He was always an aggressive player that stuck his nose in there. Cunningham is an arm tackler,
Sounds like you're calling Jones an arm tackler....
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Jones missed 12 tackles against the run in 2015, which gave him the fourth-worst tackling efficiency at his position. Jones may look the part of an NFL linebacker, but the college production simply wasn’t there.
Another complaint of his in college is that he got washed out of plays, not that he was "always an aggressive player that stuck his nose in there"
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. It would be one thing if they were trying to teach a guy that could cover how to play run defense, but Jones didn’t even post a positive coverage grade last season with his elite athleticism. And at 222 pounds, you don’t want him taking on blocks any times soon. Jones’ 40 total stops were the 88th-most of any linebacker in college football last year — that’s not good.
Hmmmm
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(105th in class in tackling efficiency, missing one of every 6.5 attempts).
He struggled in both run defense and pass coverage at LSU, yet as a rookie, completely excelled. And it has been a pretty repetitive them now with LSU linebackers making instant rookie impacts after not showcasing the same talent on the field here...why do you think that is/was?
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:11 pm to BUGAtGOAT
Stephon wasn't exactly a beast at Clemson considering he never even sniffed All- American honors. Yes he did well at the combine but even after that many expert draft boards and teams didn't view him as a first rounder. You can use this same logic for different players but it doesn't mean it's close to true.
Btw, I don't want the Saints to draft Foster because of injury issues.
The bolded comment I was really referring to was the one comparing Cunningham to LK.
Btw, I don't want the Saints to draft Foster because of injury issues.
The bolded comment I was really referring to was the one comparing Cunningham to LK.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:20 pm to TigerBait1127
Jones had a habit of hitting people with his shoulder and not wrapping up. That's an entirely different issue compared to arm tackling. Arm tackling indicates some tentativeness to destroy someone. Jones just wasn't big enough to bulldoze backs with his shoulder.
You can make all of the excuses you want based on total assumptions, (he played in the SEC east by the way, they weren't exactly outclassed at vandy) missing over 10% of your tackle attempts isn't great.
You can make all of the excuses you want based on total assumptions, (he played in the SEC east by the way, they weren't exactly outclassed at vandy) missing over 10% of your tackle attempts isn't great.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:24 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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You can make all of the excuses you want based on total assumptions, (he played in the SEC east by the way, they weren't exactly outclassed at vandy) missing over 10% of your tackle attempts isn't great.
You mean like you're literally doing about Jones while completely ignoring my point?
Good call
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Jones had a habit of hitting people with his shoulder and not wrapping up
I've addressed your bs aggressive line that should have resulted in an increase in defensive stops, yet didn't.
He somehow learned how to be a great coverage linebacker during his rookie offseason too, something he struggled with at LSU.
You just pulled the rest out of your arse based on the 2-3 games you watched of him
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(he played in the SEC east by the way, they weren't exactly outclassed at vandy)
Yea, that isn't really the point at all or even relevant
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:27 pm to TigerBait1127
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Yea, that isn't really the point at all or even relevant
It's absolutely relevant to the argument that you were making. You stated his surrounding talent as a reason for the missed tackles. My point is his surrounding talent wasn't outclassed on a weekly basis playing in that division. That's been a pretty equally mediocre division for years now, it's not like Vandy is the east whipping boy anymore when they're beating Georgia and Tennesssee
Bottom line. He's a good athlete with a nose for the ball but he doesn't arrive with authority and he arm tackles. Maybe that can be corrected, maybe not. His issues with tackling though are well documented and not debatable. Citing debo jones doesn't justify the narrative that Cunningham will just learn how to tackle bigger and stronger players because jones did
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:33 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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It's absolutely relevant to the argument that you were making. You stated his surrounding talent as a reason for the missed tackles. My point is his surrounding talent wasn't outclassed on a weekly basis playing in that division. That's been a pretty equally mediocre division for years now, it's not like Vandy is the east whipping boy anymore when they're beating Georgia and Tennesssee
Being outclassed and being surrounded by good players with good technique who actually know what they are doing are completely different things.
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You stated his surrounding talent as a reason for the missed tackles.
Actually I didn't, but reading be hard. Here, I'll quote it:
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Idk enough about Cunningham, but that stat isn't necessarily a fair representation of the player. Scheme and surrounding talent play huge factors.
But hey, you proved that wrong given their 5th place finish in the East
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it's not like Vandy is the east whipping boy anymore when they're beating Georgia and Tennesssee
First off, beating a team doesn't mean you actually have better talent than that team.
Second, they still lost to Kentucky, UF, USC, and Mizzou last year to finish 5th in the East. Really climbed out of the cellar. Tennessee, UGA, and UF still have talent on their teams. Coaching and scheme.........
Also managed to just pummel the mighty Western Kentucky by 1 in overtime
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:41 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Foster's (corrected) technique
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at least he's getting backson the ground and not doing this
You mean like he missed Deon Cain in the open field during this past title game?
Just look at that textbook tackling technique. Eyes towards the ground, not even attempting to see the opponent he is tackling.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 4:28 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:41 pm to TigerBait1127
There's really no point in arguing, Foster is going before Cunningham because he's better at football; chiefly better at the main job, tackling
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:44 pm to BigBrod81
Our resident talent scout has found some still shots of Foster missing a tackle in a game. (A game Foster recorded 12 tackles and a sack in) Color me shocked.
Meanwhile Cunningham misses 1 in 10 and our talent scout turns a blind eye
Meanwhile Cunningham misses 1 in 10 and our talent scout turns a blind eye
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:54 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Btw, I don't want the Saints to draft Foster because of injury issues.
There were also an undisclosed injuries to Foster throughout this past season. In the pictures of the missed tackle on Deon Cain, Foster has extra padding on his forearm. This picture was taken at a practice after the LSU game with club on his left hand.
LINK
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:56 pm to BigBrod81
Find me some footage of Cunningham getting after someone like this
Or diagnosing something like this
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Or quotes like this from actual talent scouts and not stumpy cajuns in Houma
Or diagnosing something like this
Or quotes like this from actual talent scouts and not stumpy cajuns in Houma
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I think Reuben Foster is going to get drafted way earlier than people expect. (Luke) Kuechly got drafted early and I think Foster has the same (expletive) to him." -- NFC scout on the Alabama LB
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:56 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Riseupfromtherubble
This has to be you every time you check this board.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:08 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Foster is going before Cunningham because he's better at football; chiefly better at the main job, tackling
I like foster better. Worried about his health with our staff
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:09 pm to BigBrod81
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There were also an undisclosed injuries to Foster throughout this past season.
Fake news!
LINK
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A ball of white tape formed what amounts to a club on his left hand. Nick Saban explained the reason for it Wednesday evening.
"He hurt his finger," Saban said. "So to protect his finger in practice, they put a big club on there."
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:18 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Or quotes like this from actual talent scouts and not stumpy cajuns in Houma
You mean like this?
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Weaknesses
Instincts are just average. Overly reliant on speed and athleticism over instincts and feel. Can be a tick slow to respond to play-action. Inconsistent defeating blocks. Too eager to take on everyone at the point of attack. Gets shoulder covered up firing into incoming blockers. Needs to improve stack and shed technique to keep himself clean. Will drop his head at times as tackler. Poor tackling technique led to "stinger" issues early in his career.
Sources Tell Us
"He's not a MIKE linebacker. I think he's a pure run-and-hit WILL linebacker with good cover talent. I'm worried about what his medicals will show because he's had some issues with stingers during his career. I have a higher grade on him than I had on Reggie Ragland. Better pro potential to me." -- NFC director of scouting
NFL Comparison
Bobby Wagner
Bottom Line
Foster is a vicious hitter with elite playmaking range and an ability to toggle between 225 and 240 pounds. Athleticism gives him cover ability that former teammate Reggie Ragland never possessed. Has Pro Bowl potential as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 weak-side linebacker, but concerns over his medical history could be a consideration, according to some teams.
NFL.com
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Alabama inside linebacker Reuben Fosterwill miss four months after rotator cuff surgery, which means he should be back in time for an NFL training camp. Foster has a history with concussions as well. In terms of talent, it can not be denied that he is one of the five best. However, some teams may have concerns with his injury history.
Draft Notes : Injury and Off Field Concerns
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Apparently it's working. Defensive coordinator Kirby Smart said he's "tackling better."
"I think he put on some good weight over the summer to help protect himself from injuries." Smart said. "The big thing with him has always been health. He's a really fast guy, he's a really sharp guy, very intelligent guy, very instinctual player, but he's been injury-prone. Some of that's been from lack of bulk, some of that's been from poor tackling and poor habits. So he's tried to improve on that, he knows it's an emphasis for him."
LINK
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With his violent playing demeanor, Foster is bound to have bumps and bruises lingering from the 2016 season. He has a history of shoulder stingers, suffered a concussion last October and had right rotator cuff surgery in February.
LINK
I guess no one should pay attention to what these reports & quotes say either, right? What the hell does Kirby Smart know anyway. They all sound like some Bama haters to me.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:24 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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"He hurt his finger," Saban said. "So to protect his finger in practice, they put a big club on there."
Must have been banged up enough to put that enormous club on it instead of a normal tape job. Now explain the extra padding on the right forearm from the title game while you are at since Foster is immune injuries. His middle name must be Logan.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:25 pm to BigBrod81
The first one you quoted there isn't from a scout, that's from some internet hack that cites his "trademark instincts" under strengths and then lists instincts as a weakness
So his weakness is potentially having a bad medical. Basically CJ Mosley who tore up his hip and elbow in college and now is an all pro.
Nobody is worried about Fosters history when it hasn't caused him to consistently miss games. If that's the biggest weakness with him then you're just debating to debate at this point. Patrick Willis played for a damn year in college with a club on his hand. When he goes in the top 12 you'll see how much front offices give a shite about stingers when he was a sophomore in college
So his weakness is potentially having a bad medical. Basically CJ Mosley who tore up his hip and elbow in college and now is an all pro.
Nobody is worried about Fosters history when it hasn't caused him to consistently miss games. If that's the biggest weakness with him then you're just debating to debate at this point. Patrick Willis played for a damn year in college with a club on his hand. When he goes in the top 12 you'll see how much front offices give a shite about stingers when he was a sophomore in college
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