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re: Zach Cunningham > Reuben Foster?

Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:28 pm to
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:28 pm to
You must be a giant pussy that never played the game. Guys get dinged up over the course of 15 games. He's wearing a thin little sleeve on his arm and Dr. BigBrod M.D. Is worried that sneaky Bama hid a forearm injury. What is it with LSU fans and conspiracies?

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Must have been banged up enough to put that enormous club on it instead of a normal tape job

Good god man. Preventative action. He didn't miss a game due to his sore finger.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:34 pm to
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Cunningham graded well for PFF but


Steph Anthony was the 3rd highest graded LB in his class going into the draft, per PFF. That said, it would also suck to have the same issues with a guy like Foster as we've had with Anthony

best case scenario is someone else taking foster ahead of us, and cunningham dropping into the 2nd rd. Otherwise stay away from both imo
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:39 pm to
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The first one you quoted there isn't from a scout


"He's not a MIKE linebacker. I think he's a pure run-and-hit WILL linebacker with good cover talent. I'm worried about what his medicals will show because he's had some issues with stingers during his career. I have a higher grade on him than I had on Reggie Ragland. Better pro potential to me." -- NFC director of scouting



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So his weakness is potentially having a bad medical


He is also a liability in pass coverage. His aggressiveness causes him to be susceptible to double moves.

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Basically CJ Mosley who tore up his hip and elbow in college and now is an all pro. 


The head, neck & shoulder issues are far more concerning than hip & elbow issues. You can try to under value the serious of head & neck issues but I guarantee you that NFL teams & their medical staffs don't.

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Nobody is worried about Fosters history when it hasn't caused him to consistently miss games. 




Luke Kuechly is an All Pro LB who is on the verge of having to retire due to concussion issues. The Ravens just had a LB retire because of neck degeneration issue. You talking nonsense if you think Foster's issues are a major concern for any team considering him drafting him in the first half of the 1st round. See Jaylon Smith & Myles Jack from just last year's draft to see how injury concerns can cause a LB to drop out of the first round.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:39 pm to
This team needs a pass rusher since we couldn't get one in FA. ILB can be addressed in rounds 2 or 3.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:41 pm to
With Mike Nolan coming in to run the LB'er corp I have not given up hope on Anthony at all.

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former 49ers coach, Steve Mariucci, thinks New Orleans hiring Nolan is a good start as the Saints try to address the defensive issues that have plagued them in recent seasons.


So says the Mooch
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:56 pm to
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You must be a giant pussy that never played the game.


Says the guy who doesn't have a clue of what he is talking about.

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Guys get dinged up over the course of 15 games.


Yes because rotator cuff surgery is a normal operation the majority of NFL players have.


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He's wearing a thin little sleeve on his arm and Dr. BigBrod M.D. Is worried that sneaky Bama hid a forearm injury. 


The Bama staff has talked about Foster being injury prone. He was always wearing some type of extra gear from the cowboy collar, that club or that extra padding for his forearm. I guess he wore those because it looked cool.

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What is it with LSU fans and conspiracies?


Are you new to following football? Nick Saban & Bill Belichick are friends right? Does Saban not use & share ideas from Belichick? Who is the king of disclosing injuries to an extent? Bill Belichick. Whatever it takes to give the opponent the least amount of information surrounding injuries.


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Most fans have no problem with Bill Belichick's public stonewalling of information concerning any and all Patriots injuries -- judging by their reaction on social media, many welcome it -- but whether they approve or disapprove, there's a reason he does it beyond simply being a curmudgeon.

And that reason was made clear in this conversation between former Patriots safety Rodney Harrison and Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio. This is why you hide injuries, from the opponents more than from the public:


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RODNEY HARRISON
"I look at a guy like [Carolina linebacker] Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis, he has a broken arm. [If] you don't think those offensive linemen for Denver, you don't think those tight ends [are] saying, 'Hey, every time we have a chance . . . ' If [Denver coach] Gary Kubiak . . . doesn't say, 'We're going to run directly at Thomas Davis,' then he's crazy. That's what you want to do. You want to try to exploit the weakness and you want to try to hurt their biggest weapon."

MIKE FLORIO
"That's why teams lie about injuries, and try to hide injuries, because they know the opponent is going to test that injury. If they know a guy has a bad elbow, they're going after his elbow. Bad knee? They're going after his knee. That's the way football's always been."

RODNEY HARRISON
"Great point, Mike. If I knew a wide receiver had a bum shoulder, guess where I'm going . . . ? I'm not going at his knees. I'm going right at his shoulder."

But if you don't know about his bum shoulder, you're not going there.

So that's why Bill does it.




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Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 5:33 pm to
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I think he's a pure run-and-hit WILL linebacker with good cover talent. I


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NFC director of scouting


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He is also a liability in pass coverage.

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BigBrod81


Well, which is it Lombardi?
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 5:40 pm to
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With Mike Nolan coming in to run the LB'er corp I have not given up hope on Anthony at all.



Neither have I. I want SA to get all of Nolan's attention
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 5:44 pm to
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Well, which is it Lombardi?


Ask Jordan Leggett. Foster is still trying to find where Leggett is after this double move on this seam route.



Also, Tim Williams gets stonewalled & pancaked by Clemson's right tackle on that play.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 5:51 pm
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 5:51 pm to
deflect!

spoiler alert, Clemson is good. Not even great players win every rep. Good job for finding two this season that Foster lost. It's amazing you aren't employed by an NFL franchise yet, all these schmucks think Foster is a top 10 talent, but the omniscient BigBrod81 knows better
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 5:56 pm to
Deflect? Foster has Jordan man to man in the slot & gets burned. Jordan Leggett gets a good separation of at least 3 yards after shaking Foster out of his jock strap. Burnt toast.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:00 pm to


so win some in coverage and lose some in coverage...or every defender ever

that's the best you can do? two lost reps against the national champions? Got any from the LSU game? No? That's a shame
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 6:01 pm
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:24 pm to
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so win some in coverage and lose some in coverage


So nice of you to use Foster breaking up a pass in zone coverage where he has safety help over the top while Trevor Knight makes a terrible decision & even worse throw.

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that's the best you can do? two lost reps against the national champions?




He is just free lancing here. With no one to cover, he should have attacked Watson.





Missed tackle on Watson

Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:31 pm to
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It's amazing you aren't employed by an NFL franchise yet


Every critical post about Foster must be a kunt punch to your sand filled pussy.

Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:37 pm to
your melt when he goes 11th or sooner is going to be glorious.

Foster running step for step with a future first round wide receiver in coverage, finds ball and break up pass, BigBrod is not impressed. Finds plays that foster isn't involved in to build false narrative even higher. Bravo, moron
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 6:44 pm
Posted by Let Me Take A Selfie
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:43 pm to
No Foster, no care
Posted by Throbinhood
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:51 pm to
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BigBrod81

You're seriously the worst. Your issues with Foster are boarderline obsessive and ridiculous. You pick and chose certain articles and only scouting reviews that fit your narrative. Not stats of Foster because it wouldn't fit your narrative. It's ridiculous and you ruin every thread with your constant links and quoting entire fricking articles and hilighting whatever you agree with.
Also your stupid gifs. Like the one of him getting blocked. Wow... he got blocked. Literally the only other thing he could have done in that situation is go under the block and not make the play.

Then you are an idiot if you blame him for that Clemson TD. He couldn't have got to Watson in time, plus you don't have a clue what his assignment was. Not a clue. From looking, they are in man so he had Legett, so no he wasn't "freelancing" with "no one to cover". He didn't do anything wrong.



And this one, the corner gets blown up and loses the edge. If the corner keeps his outside shoulder free it funnels Watson right to Foster. Not to mention Watson is a phenomenal athlete. Maybe he deserves some credit?
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:56 pm to
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your melt when he goes 11th or sooner is going to be glorious. 


I hope he goes sooner because that would mean he wasn't taken by the Saints.

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Foster running step for step with a future first round wide receiver in coverage, finds ball and break up pass,




He struggled staying step for step in man coverage with a TE, what in the world makes you believe he will be able to cover NFL receivers down the field?

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Finds plays that foster isn't involved in to build false narrative even higher. 


Which play was Foster not involved in? He wasn't involved in the game winning TD play because he is a slow thinker.




Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:06 pm to


Most of us in this thread.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:11 pm to
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He struggled staying step for step in man coverage with a TE, what in the world makes you believe he will be able to cover NFL receivers down the field?


well that's Christian Kirk in the gif I posted, a projected first round pick next year, and he's in his hip pocket. You aren't the highest rated linebacker in the draft if you can't cover, cherry picking a play with him getting beat on a double move by a good tight end and then posting a bunch of emoticons is a solid argument though. NFL teams aren't going to ask him to match up man-to-man with Travis Kelce or Julian Edelman. You don't draft guys like that to cover slot receivers and tight ends all game. He's plenty good enough in coverage to hang with backs out of the backfield and cover crossing routes and flat routes, as he proved time and time again in college.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 7:12 pm
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