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re: WR draft pick at #27 versus #58
Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:54 pm to ATL Saints Fan
Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:54 pm to ATL Saints Fan
You really pace yourself.
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:54 pm to KG5989
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so against taking a WR at 27
Not at all. Just looking at the value aspect here. At #27 I see guys that rate about there but not overwhelming value. At #58 there could be a much higher chance of getting a better value. That is, a guy that in most years would be an upper end 2nd Rder or even a possible 1st.
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what WRs would be there at 58? Robinson and Adams are the only ones that I think could be there,
If you agree with my nine in the Op then you believe 7 WRs will be taken before #58. Not unprecedented but would be a strong run. Again from the OP, I think Richardson, Moncrief, Bryant, and Landry will likely be available. Maybe even another one or two of the higher rated ones. So we prolly have a different opinion of what the WR selection pool will be at that pick.
I simply like the value of what WRs I potentially see at #58 more than the WR values at #27. Certainly ya get a better player at #27 but ya hafta analyse the whole big board to see where the values are. I juxtapose the CBs and I see the opposite 1st Rd/2nd rd paradigm...
Fuller, Verrett, Roby all look like solid late 1sts. 2nd Rd CBs I don't see much at all I like. 3rd Rd there's a bigger clump of possibilities.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:35 pm to blueslover
I think Landry will be a better pro than Moncrief.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:42 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
If cooks is there...take him if Moncrief and Matthews are still on the board
Draft a DB
Draft a DB
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:50 pm to blueslover
I know what you were saying. But at the same time, were going off of potential value. Theres a reason why some guys are going over others.
Bryant is a project. I like him a lot. But hes a project. We need a guy to come in and play from day 1. He most likely will be there. Moncrief wont be there. Not a big fan of Richardson either. I would be happy with Landry in the 3rd.
Plus, there are still some good CBs that can be taken in the middle rounds as great value picks. Phillip Gaines, Hal, Cockrell, and Dixon. I wouldnt mind taking Gaines in the late 2nd either. Kids gonna be a player.
You can find good value in every round.
Bryant is a project. I like him a lot. But hes a project. We need a guy to come in and play from day 1. He most likely will be there. Moncrief wont be there. Not a big fan of Richardson either. I would be happy with Landry in the 3rd.
Plus, there are still some good CBs that can be taken in the middle rounds as great value picks. Phillip Gaines, Hal, Cockrell, and Dixon. I wouldnt mind taking Gaines in the late 2nd either. Kids gonna be a player.
You can find good value in every round.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 10:57 pm to KG5989
The Saints will be in a great position in this draft. I honestly think we'll see a run on qb's in the 1st rd just bc of the sheer amount of defensive players and offensive lineman being snatched up in free agency.
Would love for us to get a CB in the 1st just bc PRob's cover skills and press coverage are atrocious, and White is really just a backup.
Allen Robinson would be the steal of the draft if he is there in the 2nd. I think a run on wr's comes in the 2nd, however, so it'd be a risky strategy.
Would love for us to get a CB in the 1st just bc PRob's cover skills and press coverage are atrocious, and White is really just a backup.
Allen Robinson would be the steal of the draft if he is there in the 2nd. I think a run on wr's comes in the 2nd, however, so it'd be a risky strategy.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:00 pm to blueslover
SIAP, but if Landry is available at 58, we're stupid not to take him. He fits our offense perfectly and will be what L. Moore always wanted to be. With Graham, Stills, Toon, and Morgan,- the addition of Landry gives us the best, most complete WR corps in the NFL. Cut Colston- he drops too many balls and gets paid a lot.
Also, Brees would love him- his routes are perfect, he catches everything, and he blocks like a mad-man.
He'd be a great slot receiver and special teams stud.
No better value if he's available at 58.
Also, Brees would love him- his routes are perfect, he catches everything, and he blocks like a mad-man.
He'd be a great slot receiver and special teams stud.
No better value if he's available at 58.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:42 am to blueslover
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I've seen this guy on some of the late rounds wr picks on here and I think he reminds me of an even faster Jordy Nelson. Faster 40 than ODB. Great combine numbers. You can see his speed at 4:50 and a good catch at 6:00
I've seen this guy on some of the late rounds wr picks on here and I think he reminds me of an even faster Jordy Nelson. Faster 40 than ODB. Great combine numbers. You can see his speed at 4:50 and a good catch at 6:00
Posted on 3/29/14 at 10:35 am to BRL79
First post white on white wr comparison. Nice 
Posted on 3/29/14 at 10:50 am to St Augustine
Figured someone would say that. That's not what I was going for actually. I think Jordy has the total package that's why I said it. Since we're not allowed to compare two people of the same race, lets go with a tad shorter Vincent Jackson
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:46 am to chatchit42
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I think a run on wr's comes in the 2nd, however, so it'd be a risky strategy.
The run would have to be extraordinarily strong. For me I see 10 WRs that could merit selection down to #58. That means 10 out of 57 picks would have to be WR to not get a value there. I'm guessing only 3-4 are taken by #27. That would leave 6-7 to fill from #27 to 58.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:15 pm to blueslover
You have to remember though that just because the "experts" are saying it or we may personally think it, that doesn't mean the Saints view all of these guys as having the same or similar value.
They could have say 2 guys they value high enough for 27 and only 2 others they would consider at 58. So not counting the couple of guys that we have no shot at, it's possible the Saints only see 4 guys between 27 and 58 and it's very possible all 4 would be gone by 58.
On the flip side they could have 20 guys with a "2nd round grade" and decide not to take one until the 3rd round.
Summary: The Saints aren't going to view things the same way the we or the "experts" do.
They could have say 2 guys they value high enough for 27 and only 2 others they would consider at 58. So not counting the couple of guys that we have no shot at, it's possible the Saints only see 4 guys between 27 and 58 and it's very possible all 4 would be gone by 58.
On the flip side they could have 20 guys with a "2nd round grade" and decide not to take one until the 3rd round.
Summary: The Saints aren't going to view things the same way the we or the "experts" do.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:52 pm to bonethug0108
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The Saints aren't going to view things the same way the we or the "experts" do.
I'd state it as The Saints aren' t necessarily going to view things the same way the we or the "experts" do.
For me Jordan, Jenkins, Ellis, and Bush were picks that fell right in line with both ratings and our expectations. We were right in pegging Jarvis Jones cuz he went 2 picks later. They took an better alternate path but our hope to get him wasn't way off as far as valuation.
That's the whole fun of the draft- debating and guessing what might be in those packages under the tree.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:57 pm to blueslover
Jones is a good case of what I'm talking about. The posters here, the "experts", and the Steelers all viewed him the same.
The Saints said that Jones wasn't even in the same bubble of players as Vaccaro.
The Saints said that Jones wasn't even in the same bubble of players as Vaccaro.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:05 pm to blueslover
I'm honestly all for a project that will take a year to develop. This team has a slightly larger window than most people make it seem.
If we get a guy that can produce 1k+ numbers in '15 than I'm all for it rather than getting a guy that'll put up 600-700 yards this year/rest of his career.
If we get a guy that can produce 1k+ numbers in '15 than I'm all for it rather than getting a guy that'll put up 600-700 yards this year/rest of his career.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:35 pm to htran90
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This team has a slightly larger window than most people make it seem.
The New Orleans Saints' “window of opportunity” became a popular story line in recent days after quarterback Drew Brees (who turns 35 on Wednesday) admitted that he doesn't know how many more shots he'll get at the Super Bowl.
It also became one of the subjects of coach Sean Payton's messages to players on Monday as they held their final team meeting of the 2013 season.
“I said to our players, ‘You're gonna hear this new buzz word called window.' And honestly the window, as long as I'm head coach here, we're trying to slam it open always,” Payton said. “And so, you can take each individual player and say, ‘When's the window of opportunity?' With regards to a specific player like Drew, I get that. And yet, that window's still all the way open. And I mean that.”
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If Green Bay and Indy can transition from a Hall of Fame QB to a new guy and keep contending just the same, there's no reason it can't be here either.
The defensive turnaround with young and developing players makes that all the stronger. In past years I've said 8-8 might be a goal if Brees went out for the season early. This year I could see contending for a playoff spot even if McCown was driving. Jeff Hostetler or Earl Morrall stories anyone?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:41 pm to blueslover
quote:I was referring to this in another thread when everyone kept saying we are in a win now mode.
“I said to our players, ‘You're gonna hear this new buzz word called window.' And honestly the window, as long as I'm head coach here, we're trying to slam it open always,” Payton said.
Fact is yes we are trying to win now, but we are also always keeping an eye to the future.
We aren't all in because Brees' window is closing. We are all in because we ALWAYS want to win.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:52 pm to blueslover
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If Green Bay and Indy can transition from a Hall of Fame QB to a new guy and keep contending just the same, there's no reason it can't be here either.
To some extent, I agree. But I wouldnt say Indy transitioned. They got the #1overall pick and it just so happened to be Andrew Luck that year, who just happened to be the highest rated QB to come out in years and is as rare a QB as they come.
The Packers got lucky with Rodgers. He was supposed to go #1overall to San Fran, but ended up falling to Green Bay at #24 and they took the BPA, which was Rodgers. And his 1st year as a starter, he went 6-10.
Very rarely can a franchise go from 1 Hall of Fame QB to another without skipping a beat. And in order for that to happen, a lot of luck to be involved. Like having the top QB in the draft drop to #24.
But if you have a great coach and offensive system, which we do, and good players on both sides of the ball, it will make it much easier to transition from a Hall of Fame type QB to a solid QB. And in the mean time, you try and find your future franchise QB.
Honestly, if Chase Daniel isnt a starting QB in a few years I wouldnt mind signing him again. That is if we dont have a QB on the roster that we are comfortable with. If CSP thinks Ryan Griffin can be our QB, Im all for it.
But very rarely can you go from 1 franchise QB to another with nothing in between. Montana - Young and Favre - Rodgers are the about the only times that has happened that I can remember. Usually its hall of fame QB to a game manager while you search for a franchise QB.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:57 pm to KG5989
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Honestly, if Chase Daniel isnt a starting QB in a few years I wouldnt mind signing him again
I don't want him back now let alone in a few years
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:00 pm to bonethug0108
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We aren't all in because Brees' window is closing. We are all in because we ALWAYS want to win.
bone, I think your succinctness is improving. I nominate that for one of the best ST single comments this offseason.
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