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re: Will Smith out for season with knee injury
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:44 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:44 pm to saintsfan22
How is being excited that someone, who couldn't cover Rob Ryan coming out of the back field, not playing a bad thing for depth? If anything it helps us, we can keep a guy that would maybe be one of the last ones cut on the roster. We know what Will Smith's potential is and it won't cut it. Some of these rookies have way more upside at this point then he does.
But obviously you feel that sucking at OLB but having Will Smith for depth is a good thing....even though he can't get it done anymore.....right
So...Frick you
But obviously you feel that sucking at OLB but having Will Smith for depth is a good thing....even though he can't get it done anymore.....right
So...Frick you
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Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:45 pm to REG861
This is the question guys.
Does the salary of IR players count against the cap? Or is there some sort of discounted amount?
Also this opens up a valuable roster spot for one of the young studs,
If he played it counted 8 million towards cap if waived 7.5 million. We are in a damn raiders situation. If we have 8 million for a one year contract we can grab a 3-4 linebacker.
Does the salary of IR players count against the cap? Or is there some sort of discounted amount?
Also this opens up a valuable roster spot for one of the young studs,
If he played it counted 8 million towards cap if waived 7.5 million. We are in a damn raiders situation. If we have 8 million for a one year contract we can grab a 3-4 linebacker.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:45 pm to LA444
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If anything it helps us
You're a fricking idiot.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:45 pm to REG861
I blame Miley.
On a serious note, best of luck to him. I hate seeing injuries of any kind, but leg injuries can end a career.
On a serious note, best of luck to him. I hate seeing injuries of any kind, but leg injuries can end a career.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:46 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
great insight there ..... 
And if you had a lick of common sense you would see that I said earlier I was torn between feeling bad and excited. Thus explaining where the excited part was coming from
And if you had a lick of common sense you would see that I said earlier I was torn between feeling bad and excited. Thus explaining where the excited part was coming from
This post was edited on 8/26/13 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:46 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
What you said
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:47 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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You're a fricking idiot.
So, in your opinion, Will Smith was a greater asset than a liability on our defense?
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:47 pm to TutHillTiger
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Does the salary of IR players count against the cap? Or is there some sort of discounted amount?
All of it counts against the Cap, I believe.
It's meant to discourage excessive red shirting.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:47 pm to TutHillTiger
Full amount towards the cap.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:49 pm to flyAU
I was never a fan of Smith as an OLB. I was a fan of him sticking around to play DE in this scheme. While Smith's injury doesn't hurt as much as Coleman's or Butler's, it definitely kills our depth and experience. I hope Gallette and Wilson are healthy and ready for Atlanta.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:49 pm to Hoodoo Man
Then I guess we waive him and save 500k and are fricked 
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:50 pm to CptRusty
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So, in your opinion, Will Smith was a greater asset than a liability on our defense?
Exactly my point.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:50 pm to CptRusty
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So, in your opinion, Will Smith was a greater asset than a liability on our defense?
Yes.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:51 pm to TutHillTiger
I remember Schefter tweeted a couple of days that teams are looking at the Seahawks waiver wire cause they have so much talent on defense. Does anybody know any linebackers available or that are on the bubble who play 3/4 olb?
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:51 pm to TutHillTiger
The two positives are that we have a roster spot open and Smith won't start.
I think the coaches really wanted him to start.
For whatever reason.
Still, this is not good.
I think the coaches really wanted him to start.
For whatever reason.
Still, this is not good.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:54 pm to Hoodoo Man
From $9ers site:
For example, Kyle Williams suffered a football-related injury to his ACL in New Orleans. He, as one example, will likely begin the training camp on the Active PUP. Once he receives full clearance from the 49ers medical staff, he is eligible to practice. Although he showed a "green light" icon on his Twitter and Instagram accounts, he has only been performing individual drills. He is yet to actually practice with the team.
Another player who is likely to start on this list is Kendall Hunter. He suffered a season-ending Achilles injury on the same play that injured Williams, and performed individual drills in front of the 49ers medical staff. He too, is awaiting clearance to practice with the team.
Second, there's the Reserve/PUP (regular season PUP list). Any player starting on the Active PUP list (and has not practiced) with the team becomes eligible for the Reserve/PUP. Once a player practices during training camp, all PUP list options are off the table. This is important to note. Both Williams and Hunter could be cleared within a day or two of the start of training camp, but starting them on the PUP list leaves it on the table as an option if there is a setback.
If, during the season, a player sustains injury but practiced at camp, the PUP list is not an option. The team can keep the player on the roster, if they believe he will come back that season. But, the injured player is counted against the 53-man roster.
In the alternative, teams must go straight to the Injured Reserve list (lose the player for the remainder of the season) or waive the player. So, it means the 49ers are extremely cautious about letting any player practice, no matter how good he looks following an injury. As you can see, letting a player practice makes the difference. Allowing a player to "practice" limits options. It can tie up roster spots and, more importantly, dollars.
It should be noted, ALL player salaries of a team count in calculating that team's total salary cap during the season. This includes players that are on Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), and the Practice Squad (PS).
If a player started on the Active/PUP list and isn't medically cleared by the end of the preseason, the 49ers may transfer any Active/PUP player to the Reserve/PUP.
These players are prevented from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season. What makes the Reserve PUP advantageous is that any player on the Reserve PUP list does not count against the 53-man roster. If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list.
For example, Mario Manningham is a good candidate to see the Reserve/PU
For example, Kyle Williams suffered a football-related injury to his ACL in New Orleans. He, as one example, will likely begin the training camp on the Active PUP. Once he receives full clearance from the 49ers medical staff, he is eligible to practice. Although he showed a "green light" icon on his Twitter and Instagram accounts, he has only been performing individual drills. He is yet to actually practice with the team.
Another player who is likely to start on this list is Kendall Hunter. He suffered a season-ending Achilles injury on the same play that injured Williams, and performed individual drills in front of the 49ers medical staff. He too, is awaiting clearance to practice with the team.
Second, there's the Reserve/PUP (regular season PUP list). Any player starting on the Active PUP list (and has not practiced) with the team becomes eligible for the Reserve/PUP. Once a player practices during training camp, all PUP list options are off the table. This is important to note. Both Williams and Hunter could be cleared within a day or two of the start of training camp, but starting them on the PUP list leaves it on the table as an option if there is a setback.
If, during the season, a player sustains injury but practiced at camp, the PUP list is not an option. The team can keep the player on the roster, if they believe he will come back that season. But, the injured player is counted against the 53-man roster.
In the alternative, teams must go straight to the Injured Reserve list (lose the player for the remainder of the season) or waive the player. So, it means the 49ers are extremely cautious about letting any player practice, no matter how good he looks following an injury. As you can see, letting a player practice makes the difference. Allowing a player to "practice" limits options. It can tie up roster spots and, more importantly, dollars.
It should be noted, ALL player salaries of a team count in calculating that team's total salary cap during the season. This includes players that are on Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), and the Practice Squad (PS).
If a player started on the Active/PUP list and isn't medically cleared by the end of the preseason, the 49ers may transfer any Active/PUP player to the Reserve/PUP.
These players are prevented from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season. What makes the Reserve PUP advantageous is that any player on the Reserve PUP list does not count against the 53-man roster. If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list.
For example, Mario Manningham is a good candidate to see the Reserve/PU
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:56 pm to Hoodoo Man
From $9ers site:
For example, Kyle Williams suffered a football-related injury to his ACL in New Orleans. He, as one example, will likely begin the training camp on the Active PUP. Once he receives full clearance from the 49ers medical staff, he is eligible to practice. Although he showed a "green light" icon on his Twitter and Instagram accounts, he has only been performing individual drills. He is yet to actually practice with the team.
Another player who is likely to start on this list is Kendall Hunter. He suffered a season-ending Achilles injury on the same play that injured Williams, and performed individual drills in front of the 49ers medical staff. He too, is awaiting clearance to practice with the team.
Second, there's the Reserve/PUP (regular season PUP list). Any player starting on the Active PUP list (and has not practiced) with the team becomes eligible for the Reserve/PUP. Once a player practices during training camp, all PUP list options are off the table. This is important to note. Both Williams and Hunter could be cleared within a day or two of the start of training camp, but starting them on the PUP list leaves it on the table as an option if there is a setback.
If, during the season, a player sustains injury but practiced at camp, the PUP list is not an option. The team can keep the player on the roster, if they believe he will come back that season. But, the injured player is counted against the 53-man roster.
In the alternative, teams must go straight to the Injured Reserve list (lose the player for the remainder of the season) or waive the player. So, it means the 49ers are extremely cautious about letting any player practice, no matter how good he looks following an injury. As you can see, letting a player practice makes the difference. Allowing a player to "practice" limits options. It can tie up roster spots and, more importantly, dollars.
It should be noted, ALL player salaries of a team count in calculating that team's total salary cap during the season. This includes players that are on Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), and the Practice Squad (PS).
If a player started on the Active/PUP list and isn't medically cleared by the end of the preseason, the 49ers may transfer any Active/PUP player to the Reserve/PUP.
These players are prevented from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season. What makes the Reserve PUP advantageous is that any player on the Reserve PUP list does not count against the 53-man roster. If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list.
For example, Mario Manningham is a good candidate to see the Reserve/PU
For example, Kyle Williams suffered a football-related injury to his ACL in New Orleans. He, as one example, will likely begin the training camp on the Active PUP. Once he receives full clearance from the 49ers medical staff, he is eligible to practice. Although he showed a "green light" icon on his Twitter and Instagram accounts, he has only been performing individual drills. He is yet to actually practice with the team.
Another player who is likely to start on this list is Kendall Hunter. He suffered a season-ending Achilles injury on the same play that injured Williams, and performed individual drills in front of the 49ers medical staff. He too, is awaiting clearance to practice with the team.
Second, there's the Reserve/PUP (regular season PUP list). Any player starting on the Active PUP list (and has not practiced) with the team becomes eligible for the Reserve/PUP. Once a player practices during training camp, all PUP list options are off the table. This is important to note. Both Williams and Hunter could be cleared within a day or two of the start of training camp, but starting them on the PUP list leaves it on the table as an option if there is a setback.
If, during the season, a player sustains injury but practiced at camp, the PUP list is not an option. The team can keep the player on the roster, if they believe he will come back that season. But, the injured player is counted against the 53-man roster.
In the alternative, teams must go straight to the Injured Reserve list (lose the player for the remainder of the season) or waive the player. So, it means the 49ers are extremely cautious about letting any player practice, no matter how good he looks following an injury. As you can see, letting a player practice makes the difference. Allowing a player to "practice" limits options. It can tie up roster spots and, more importantly, dollars.
It should be noted, ALL player salaries of a team count in calculating that team's total salary cap during the season. This includes players that are on Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), and the Practice Squad (PS).
If a player started on the Active/PUP list and isn't medically cleared by the end of the preseason, the 49ers may transfer any Active/PUP player to the Reserve/PUP.
These players are prevented from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season. What makes the Reserve PUP advantageous is that any player on the Reserve PUP list does not count against the 53-man roster. If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a three-week window to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list.
For example, Mario Manningham is a good candidate to see the Reserve/PU
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:59 pm to Hoodoo Man
I see plenty of simple minds on this thread today. Let me help you all out.
Smith is not a great player. He isn't even a good player anymore. However, he is a team veteran whose entire carreer has been here in Who Dat Nation, and he was a key component to our Superbowl run. On top of that, he is still a solid player that will win some and lose some.
Should he have been resigned this season? I personally say no, but the organization felt that he still had something to contribute. Since that is the case, they brought in OLB's to play here knowing that Smith would be in the mix.
Here lies the problem, you simpletons: our top 4 OLB's are now all hurt, 2 of which for the entire season. Now we have to rely on the other 2 to never get hurt, even though 1 of those 2 has been hurt his entire career here, plus he has yet to ever be anything better than Smith.
So tell me again how this is good???
You are all a bunch of tools whose hatred for one player overrules your sense of reason and logic. Go cheer for the Falcons; you fit right in with them.
Smith is not a great player. He isn't even a good player anymore. However, he is a team veteran whose entire carreer has been here in Who Dat Nation, and he was a key component to our Superbowl run. On top of that, he is still a solid player that will win some and lose some.
Should he have been resigned this season? I personally say no, but the organization felt that he still had something to contribute. Since that is the case, they brought in OLB's to play here knowing that Smith would be in the mix.
Here lies the problem, you simpletons: our top 4 OLB's are now all hurt, 2 of which for the entire season. Now we have to rely on the other 2 to never get hurt, even though 1 of those 2 has been hurt his entire career here, plus he has yet to ever be anything better than Smith.
So tell me again how this is good???
You are all a bunch of tools whose hatred for one player overrules your sense of reason and logic. Go cheer for the Falcons; you fit right in with them.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 2:00 pm to CptRusty
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So, in your opinion, Will Smith was a greater asset than a liability on our defense?
In your opinion, why was Smith pencilled in as a starter this season? The staff was purposely sitting better players in favor of Smith?
Posted on 8/26/13 at 2:01 pm to Midget Death Squad
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this is devestating
It hurts depth, but in no way is this devastating. Smith is terrible and was lucky to even be on the roster.
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