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Why didn't Taysom Hill see the field more in Saints' loss to Bengals?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:17 am
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Taysom Hill only had to touch the ball 10 times against the Seahawks to wreck the game with 112 rushing yards, 22 passing yards and four total touchdowns.
But in the Week 6 loss to the Bengals, he saw only 15 snaps. Fellow play-maker Rashid Shaheed scored a 44-yard touchdown on his lone offensive touch, but in all played just nine offensive snaps. So, what gives?
"Obviously there's more in the game plan for both those guys going into the game, but it's just the way the flow of the game was going, and maybe they didn't get as many opportunities," offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael said this week. "And so that's something that ... I can do a better job of getting those guys on the field more."
Hill was also serving as the backup quarterback in the game, with Jameis Winston only active as the "emergency" third option with backup Jake Luton waived earlier in the week. However, that role hasn't and shouldn't limit Hill's snap count. WRs Jarvis Landry and Michael Thomas have still not practiced and appear to be on track for another missed week, though rookie Chris Olave has cleared concussion protocol a"I think there's times as you're looking at the call sheet and what you're seeing defensively and you're saying, 'Okay, what what do we feel good about? Let's get to these plays next series.' And so in some cases, it might involve him. And in some cases, it might not,' Carmichael's said.
Where Hill hasn't been involved at all is in the receiving game. He and Shaheed are now tied on the season with one target apiece.
The QB runs that were so effective against the Seahawks also didn't hit as often later in the game. After runs for 7 and 31 yards in the first half, his final three carries were held to just 2, 0 and -1 yards.
The perceived reduction in Hill's involvement was also probably a bit overblown. He was in on 23 of 79 snaps in Week 5 (30%). That number was 15 of 72 for Week 6 (21%). Compare that to Week 1, when he was in for 16 of 61 snaps (26%). In all, not a huge change.
He only ran the ball five times, but he did throw four passes, meaning he had just one fewer "touch" in the game, excluding kick returns. If you include the two plays Hill lined up at quarterback and handed it off to Alvin Kamara, it was actually one more touch.
"We feel really good when he's out on the field," Carmichael said.
Taysom Hill only had to touch the ball 10 times against the Seahawks to wreck the game with 112 rushing yards, 22 passing yards and four total touchdowns.
But in the Week 6 loss to the Bengals, he saw only 15 snaps. Fellow play-maker Rashid Shaheed scored a 44-yard touchdown on his lone offensive touch, but in all played just nine offensive snaps. So, what gives?
"Obviously there's more in the game plan for both those guys going into the game, but it's just the way the flow of the game was going, and maybe they didn't get as many opportunities," offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael said this week. "And so that's something that ... I can do a better job of getting those guys on the field more."
Hill was also serving as the backup quarterback in the game, with Jameis Winston only active as the "emergency" third option with backup Jake Luton waived earlier in the week. However, that role hasn't and shouldn't limit Hill's snap count. WRs Jarvis Landry and Michael Thomas have still not practiced and appear to be on track for another missed week, though rookie Chris Olave has cleared concussion protocol a"I think there's times as you're looking at the call sheet and what you're seeing defensively and you're saying, 'Okay, what what do we feel good about? Let's get to these plays next series.' And so in some cases, it might involve him. And in some cases, it might not,' Carmichael's said.
Where Hill hasn't been involved at all is in the receiving game. He and Shaheed are now tied on the season with one target apiece.
The QB runs that were so effective against the Seahawks also didn't hit as often later in the game. After runs for 7 and 31 yards in the first half, his final three carries were held to just 2, 0 and -1 yards.
The perceived reduction in Hill's involvement was also probably a bit overblown. He was in on 23 of 79 snaps in Week 5 (30%). That number was 15 of 72 for Week 6 (21%). Compare that to Week 1, when he was in for 16 of 61 snaps (26%). In all, not a huge change.
He only ran the ball five times, but he did throw four passes, meaning he had just one fewer "touch" in the game, excluding kick returns. If you include the two plays Hill lined up at quarterback and handed it off to Alvin Kamara, it was actually one more touch.
"We feel really good when he's out on the field," Carmichael said.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:20 am to hellsu
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He only ran the ball five times, but he did throw four passes, meaning he had just one fewer "touch" in the game, excluding kick returns. If you include the two plays Hill lined up at quarterback and handed it off to Alvin Kamara, it was actually one more touch.
"We feel really good when he's out on the field," Carmichael said.
Eat a dick pete.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:31 am to hellsu
He's using doublespeak instead of admitting his mistake of not using our 2nd best offensive threat enough. Bad sign going forward.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:33 am to Delusional
Taysom Hill is not a pigeon hole type player. He's not successful with only 1 or 2 type of plays yet they think he has to be involved in basic arse concepts. Yes power formations are successful but sky is the fricking limit. Get taysom on the outside. Get his speed on mismatches.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:41 am to hellsu
Not just Hill, why the hell didn't the new guy get any second half touches?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:04 pm to hellsu
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Obviously there's more in the game plan for both those guys going into the game, but it's just the way the flow of the game was going, and maybe they didn't get as many opportunities," offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael said this week. "And so that's something that ... I can do a better job of getting those guys on the field more."
Fireable offense. 2 guys make big plays and you don’t find a way to get them the ball more and just chalk it up to “my bad, didn’t think about it”?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:06 pm to Chad504boy
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Get taysom on the outside. Get his speed on mismatches
Could you imagine the possibilities of Hill running that play Shaheed scored on but give him a backside post coming behind him and a go route in front of him. Either those guys commit to Hill running leaving a wide open WR for a big gain; or they’re playing back leaving Hill for a big run
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:11 pm to hellsu
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"We feel really good when he's out on the field," Carmichael said.
Really pete?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:59 pm to Chad504boy
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Get taysom behind center at quarterback
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Chad504boy
Checks out
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:44 pm to Chad504boy
Ah so now playcalling can be seen by others as the main reason of our offensive issues.
More taysom means relying on less dalton and eventually jameis too. He's a change of pace wildcat qb and when used properly we are a dynamic offense with him.
More taysom means relying on less dalton and eventually jameis too. He's a change of pace wildcat qb and when used properly we are a dynamic offense with him.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:48 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Ah so now playcalling can be seen by others as the main reason of our offensive issues.
I told you this in 2020 when you didn’t listen to frick
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:50 pm to Chad504boy
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told you this in 2020 when you didn’t listen to frick
We had a much better playcaller in 2020. Taysom exploits bad defenses and gets shut down by the good ones when he starts.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 2:09 pm to whatiknowsofar
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We had a much better playcaller in 2020.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 2:11 pm to hellsu
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"Obviously there's more in the game plan for both those guys going into the game, but it's just the way the flow of the game was going, and maybe they didn't get as many opportunities," offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael said this week. "And so that's something that ... I can do a better job of getting those guys on the field more."
I will give him credit for at least admitting that this is something he needs to work on. Because football is situational each game unfolds differently so opportunities can vary.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 2:49 pm to oncealurker
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Checks out ?
Slight correction chadboy would be the center and not in shotgun formation
Posted on 10/19/22 at 3:40 pm to Wardniner01
Maybe I remember it wrong, but it felt like normal CSP play calling where they ran Hill plays until it got stuffed once then never used him again.
I really thought the 3rd and 4 we had right before the 2 min warning that could have won us the game was the right time for a Hill play.
I really thought the 3rd and 4 we had right before the 2 min warning that could have won us the game was the right time for a Hill play.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/19/22 at 3:46 pm to hellsu
He saw the field more vs Bengals than he's seen since he started at Qb. Loved it and it needs to continue.
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