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re: Who has been a part of any organized football team on any level?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:53 am to steelreign
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:53 am to steelreign
as a high school coach (former player too), I can tell you our team always try to get there best shots off on the opposing team's best players - if they don't have that fire, they are on the damn bench with a clip board.
You hit a running back with blows 20-30 times a game, attempt to get all 11 on him during a pile, it takes its toll. But the opposing D is doing the same to us.
also, his locker room talk is a little over the top with the f-bombs, but that is Gregg. Meeting him in person, he speaks the same way outside the locker room.
You hit a running back with blows 20-30 times a game, attempt to get all 11 on him during a pile, it takes its toll. But the opposing D is doing the same to us.
also, his locker room talk is a little over the top with the f-bombs, but that is Gregg. Meeting him in person, he speaks the same way outside the locker room.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:58 am to Federal Tiger
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as a high school coach (former player too), I can tell you our team always try to get there best shots off on the opposing team's best players - if they don't have that fire, they are on the damn bench with a clip board.
This guy understands football
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:02 am to Federal Tiger
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as a high school coach (former player too), I can tell you our team always try to get there best shots off on the opposing team's best players - if they don't have that fire, they are on the damn bench with a clip board.
Would/do you ask your players to go for the ACL or to target a kid at the head who has a concussion? I think that's the main problem people are having. I know you want them to hit hard, but does that get to the point where you want them to intentionally injure someone? As in going for the knees?
I know it happens in the course of playing the game. Just trying to get my head around that mentality.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:20 am to steelreign
This is what I said in another thread:
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I'm willing to bet those kind of speeches happen every weekend, before every game, in the NFL...in college...in high school...in pee wee football. Guys try to hurt someone at every level of football on every play. I love how all the coaches, players, and pundits that say stuff like "you gotta smack 'em in the mouth, and dominate the other guy!" What does that imply exactly?
The only thing I have a problem with is when Williams talked about that guy's ACL.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:22 am to sicboy
sicboy, I understand what you're saying but players put their trust in the coaches and also the organization that oversees football. Unfortunately, some players and coaches try to hide things to give that edge. If you've had a recent injury and are bound and determined to play and nobody knows of it, that's up to you. You're putting yourself in danger. However, the people that oversee the football leagues can make you sit out if the injury is known. If you are injured, you are supposed to inform your coach. If you've done that, the coach must inform the officials. Sometimes, players don't say anything to their coach and sometimes, the coaches say nothing to the officials and sometimes, the officials give the ok regardless. It's like when you see those players die during the 2 a day practices in the summer. Many times, though not all, the players and the people around them knew of a medical condition or injury but they still let that player practice/play. If nobody knew, that's one thing but as I said, most times they knew. The 49ers player, his teammates, his coaches, and the NFL knew of his concussions but he was still allowed to play. I don't fault any team or player that targeted him since he shouldn't have been on the field in the first place if the concussions effected him that much. So many are at fault in so many of these situations but the blame only ever goes to one person or organization. It really sucks but unless it's enforced better, there's nothing anyone can do.
When I played and knew someone had an injury, you're damn right I tried to make that injury worse for them.
When I played and knew someone had an injury, you're damn right I tried to make that injury worse for them.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:22 am to sicboy
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I know you want them to hit hard, but does that get to the point where you want them to intentionally injure someone? As in going for the knees?
Even when I played as a seven year old, we were roundly celebrated for legally hurting another kid.
I can't stand all this faux outrage that people seem to be surprised that in football you try to hurt your opponent.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:39 am to steelreign
I played high school football and my D. coordinator would say stuff like this all the time. Not specifically go hit this kids ACL, but stuff like, "I want you to fricking knock his head off, make him scared to come back and play the next play." Also if you continually played like a puss you were going to have a seat on the bench. Things like that. Once you get into someones head you win.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:49 am to sicboy
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Would/do you ask your players to go for the ACL or to target a kid at the head who has a concussion?
sicboy - my selling point to the young men is NEVER let anyone get in the way of what you want..(a win)..whether it be in football or life - as long as how you get there are within the rules we play by.
I have pointed out to my players in pregame films dirty players of other teams and that essentially puts an X on them from my team's perspective.
Also, if I see a legal cheap shot from the opposing team, I am a firm believer in returning the favor.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:53 am to Federal Tiger
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as long as how you get there are within the rules we play by.
Right.
I guess the big difference in this is when you offer incentives, money, to get to players. That kind of thing will motivate a player beyond what comes with the game, IMO.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:55 am to Federal Tiger
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I have pointed out to my players in pregame films dirty players of other teams and that essentially puts an X on them from my team's perspective. Also, if I see a legal cheap shot from the opposing team, I am a firm believer in returning the favor.
This might be a bit different. If you have a pattern of concussion issues, does that make you a targetted, dirty player?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:58 am to steelreign
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:00 pm to steelreign
This was standard issue pregame. I played college ball. This, minus the acl garbage, is nothing new
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:01 pm to Spoonie Luv
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This might be a bit different. If you have a pattern of concussion issues, does that make you a targetted, dirty player?
dirty to me is blindside hits on unprotected players, engaging after the whistle, etc......
very randomly do high school coaches know the injury status of players (at least the severity)
but, I will say every staff I know attacks injured players if they are on the field. For example, if I see a DT struggling due to an ankle, I will attack his hole and double team him / cut, etc until he basically has to be removed.
And once a 17/18 year old sees blood in the water (injury), they typically exploit it. Sorry, but that's the way we play.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:06 pm to bountyhunter
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If you have a pattern of concussion issues, does that make you a targetted, dirty player?
No, it certainly doesn't make you a dirty player but if you have concussion issues, you probably shouldn't be on the field. However, if you are on the field, don't think that the other team wouldn't use your concussion issues against you. I didn't play my senior year in HS because of concussion issues. I passed the physical but I thought better of it. Knowing that the other team would use it against me and my team wasn't worth it. My head had been screwed up enough. A teammate of mine did play with a concussion history and now at age 33, he tends to drop things and has short term memory loss. He doesn't blame anyone for it though. He just will tell you that he should've quit. Of course, HS is not the NFL and in HS, you don't get paid millions. It's ultimately left up to the person with the injury/condition.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:06 pm to sicboy
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I guess the big difference in this is when you offer incentives, money, to get to players. That kind of thing will motivate a player beyond what comes with the game, IMO.
Not saying the intent is to hurt opposing players, but my players get these on their helmet when they make a big hit......and the kids basically do anything to fill their helmets up.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:39 pm to steelreign
I played four years as a strong safety for Coach Jimmy Shaver at Barbe High School in Lake Charles. NEVER did he, or any of the other asst coaches, EVER encourage us to injure or cheap shot an opponent. NEVER.
I'm a long time Saints fan but this type of behavior is criminal and unacceptable
I'm a long time Saints fan but this type of behavior is criminal and unacceptable
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:42 pm to damyankee
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Coach Jimmy Shaver at Barbe High School
When did you graduate? Were you on the team during the JFK fight?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:42 pm to Federal Tiger
1991-1995
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:43 pm to damyankee
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this type of behavior is criminal and unacceptable
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"you know it's not TOTALLY beyond my capacity to repeatedly drive a lead pipe into a girl's vagina..." - Patrick Bateman
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:43 pm to damyankee
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1991-1995
Coach Cespiva never taught you any cheap shots?
J/k - good man and good staff there.
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