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"When Brees passes Marino's mark, it deserves an asterisk"
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:01 pm
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1984 NFL Team Passing Average: 3294 yds
2010 NFL Team Passing Average: 3545 yds
2011 NFL Team Passing Average: 3208 (thru 14 games)
thoughts?
1984 NFL Team Passing Average: 3294 yds
2010 NFL Team Passing Average: 3545 yds
2011 NFL Team Passing Average: 3208 (thru 14 games)
This post was edited on 12/21/11 at 2:14 pm
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Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:02 pm to busbeepbeep
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:03 pm to busbeepbeep
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:04 pm to busbeepbeep
Things is, drew is not passing it, he may be obliterating it.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:04 pm to busbeepbeep
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Like Marino, Brees is using pinpoint accuracy to shred defenses. Unlike Marino, Brees is doing it with liberal rules that leave defenses playing with one hand tied behind their back. In effect, Brees' record will be severely watered down. So much so, that it almost deserves an asterisk.
Dont hate the player..
In 1984 opposed to 2011, defenses were much slower etc etc
This post was edited on 12/21/11 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:05 pm to busbeepbeep
Dumbest shite I've ever read
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:07 pm to busbeepbeep
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This is not to say that Brees isn't a brilliant talent on his way to the Hall of Fame. He is. Brees. Carpet. Red. Roll it out. It's just that his record is a shell of Marino's.
And yes, it deserves an asterisk.
Not sure if serious...
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:07 pm to busbeepbeep
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:09 pm to Louisianimal83
what's nice about both of these players is that they broke the records while winnning. They weren't losing throwing for 350 yds week in week out. Marino was 14-2, Drew will be 13-3 cough cough.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:12 pm to Chad504boy
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what's nice about both of these players is that they broke the records while winnning.
yeah, in 1984, Neil "Bernie" Lomax had 4614 yards on a 9-7 Cardinals team.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:14 pm to busbeepbeep
Freeman absolutely despises Sean Payton and the Saints, so this is not shocking.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:21 pm to busbeepbeep
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"When Brees passes Marino's mark, it deserves an asterisk"
This is stupid but I'll agree that Marino doing it in a more "dead ball" era is maybe more impressive.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:25 pm to busbeepbeep
Total horseshite!
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:30 pm to busbeepbeep
Probably a whole different viewpoint if it was Rodgers or Brady about to break it.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:38 pm to LSUFanNTX
I think he's spot on about the modern pussified version of football that keeps offenses on the field longer making it more likley the record will be broken, but c'mon.
The QB still has to have game, even if he gets a few more opportunities.
The QB still has to have game, even if he gets a few more opportunities.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:43 pm to busbeepbeep
by that reasoning Marino's mark should have an asterisk also.
1. Totalized records have changed from players in eras of 12 to 14 to 16 game seasons. That's 33% more in numbers. Otto Graham was prolific. He led the league in passings yards 5 times in a 10 year career but never reached 3000 for a season.
2. The evolution of the game. 15-25 attempts per game was more the average into the '70s. Unitas averaged 21.7 in a 1964 MVP year.
So they have a lot more games with a lot more attempts to pile up numbers.
Old schoolers careers were also shorter cuz prolly half their pass attempts would be roughing the passer by today's rules. Secondly, they dealt with DBs who would be called with the same frequency for illegal contact or pass interference by today's standards.
One more- the old schoolers didn't dink n dunk. Many of them averaged 14-16yds per completion. That dwindled towards 12 by Montana & Marino. It is still going down with Brady, Manning, & Brees all under 12 avg for their career.
No astersik needed but you have to put some effort in to properly compare players/records from different eras.
1. Totalized records have changed from players in eras of 12 to 14 to 16 game seasons. That's 33% more in numbers. Otto Graham was prolific. He led the league in passings yards 5 times in a 10 year career but never reached 3000 for a season.
2. The evolution of the game. 15-25 attempts per game was more the average into the '70s. Unitas averaged 21.7 in a 1964 MVP year.
So they have a lot more games with a lot more attempts to pile up numbers.
Old schoolers careers were also shorter cuz prolly half their pass attempts would be roughing the passer by today's rules. Secondly, they dealt with DBs who would be called with the same frequency for illegal contact or pass interference by today's standards.
One more- the old schoolers didn't dink n dunk. Many of them averaged 14-16yds per completion. That dwindled towards 12 by Montana & Marino. It is still going down with Brady, Manning, & Brees all under 12 avg for their career.
No astersik needed but you have to put some effort in to properly compare players/records from different eras.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:44 pm to BobBoucher
I decided to do what Lance Moore did (or didn't) do with this article.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:49 pm to busbeepbeep
Of course...
But if it was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers?
fricking amazing that someone could look so far into something to belittle a record. Number one is number one.
But if it was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers?
fricking amazing that someone could look so far into something to belittle a record. Number one is number one.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:52 pm to busbeepbeep
Marino's records deserve an asterisk.
Before the early '70s DBs could mug a receiver at the line.
And in the late '70s the NFL passed its "legalized holding" rules, allowing O-linemen to block with open palms and push off instead of only with their forearms.
His records are tainted compared to Unitas.
Before the early '70s DBs could mug a receiver at the line.
And in the late '70s the NFL passed its "legalized holding" rules, allowing O-linemen to block with open palms and push off instead of only with their forearms.
His records are tainted compared to Unitas.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:54 pm to busbeepbeep
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