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re: Video shows Will Smith did initially hit n run Hayes.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:43 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:43 pm to lsupride87
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If Smith never hit and ran, a human being feels completely different about this whole situation
I'm human, and I feel the same about the situation after finding out about the hit and run.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:43 pm to moneyg
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However, I think it's meaningful to understand that Smith may have contributed to the event.
Why?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:43 pm to NoHairDontCare
We can all debate it until we're blue in the face as pops would say, but in reality we will never understand it because...most of us...aren't thugs and murderers. I don't care if Will rammed the dudes car on purpose, there was a way to handle it and this wasn't it.
A girl ran into my truck once...it never crossed my mind to kill her. In fact anything short of threatening my life or the life of a loved one or actually going through with harming a loved one, wouldn't make me consider murder. I think people are going to follow the story more because everyone likes a mystery and "dateline to catch a criminal" and that type of stuff, but the bottom line is someone got murdered and there is literally zero reason it should have happened. Whether that was the car incident, a previous run in or whatever. The end result shouldn't have happened. And its sad.
A girl ran into my truck once...it never crossed my mind to kill her. In fact anything short of threatening my life or the life of a loved one or actually going through with harming a loved one, wouldn't make me consider murder. I think people are going to follow the story more because everyone likes a mystery and "dateline to catch a criminal" and that type of stuff, but the bottom line is someone got murdered and there is literally zero reason it should have happened. Whether that was the car incident, a previous run in or whatever. The end result shouldn't have happened. And its sad.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:44 pm to lsupride87
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He was prolly fapping to how you were proven wrong with video evidence
I wasn't really proven wrong. I only saw the 49 second WDSU video. It really only shows the rear end by Smith and doesn't show any cars in front of the Hummer. When the camera points toward the intersection/traffic light, the only other car I saw (that wasn't parked) was the car that crossed Magazine Street @ St. Andrew.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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Right, the guy chasing Smith down and getting a gun and ultimately killing him isn't the aggressor. It was the guy that tapped his back bumper.
again, the final decision on if Hayes is guilty or not will lie with the gun jockeying by each man. Not car accidents or who bumped who.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:45 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Awesome. Turn on a national sports radio station, and listen to peoples reaction to the news about the hit and run. It completely changed their perception of everything. Not everyone's, but the tone def changed
I'm human, and I feel the same about the situation after finding out about the hit and run.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:46 pm to Lester Earl
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again, the final decision on if Hayes is guilty or not will lie with the gun jockeying by each man. Not car accidents or who bumped who.
Good, so then you agree that the aggressor is the guy that got the gun.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:46 pm to lsupride87
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Awesome. Turn on a national sports radio station, and listen to peoples reaction to the news about the hit and run. It completely changed their perception of everything. Not everyone's, but the tone def changed
Well shite, if some slapdick on the radio says it, that must be what a jury will say.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:47 pm to LNCHBOX
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Good, so then you agree that the aggressor is the guy that got the gun.
which guy are you talking about then?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:47 pm to Lester Earl
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so Hayes is the aggressor when he rear ends a car, but Will Smith isnt when he rear ends Hayes? is that how it works?
Because the first instance appeared to be an accident and the second one seems to be deliberate.
Lester Earl, did someone drop you on your head when you were a baby? You're being obtuse.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:48 pm to Lester Earl
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which guy are you talking about then?
The one that actually pulled out a gun and shot someone. But here we go with you being a jackass again. If you have proof that Smith pulled out a gun first, spill it.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:49 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Correct. The guy that went for their gun first without having a reasonable threat was the aggressor
Good, so then you agree that the aggressor is the guy that got the gun.
Scenario 1- Hayes made Smith feel reasonably threatened through words or actions, so Smith mentioned his gun and reached for it/something. Hayes no longer can use self defense. Fry his arse
Scenario 2- Hayes did nothing to make Smith feel reasonably threatened. Smith mentioned his gun and reached for it/something. Hayes can reasonably say he used self defense
/thread
Not sure why you cant agree to that. It isnt shitting on Smith. It is simply saying a case and trial is needed
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:50 pm to lsupride87
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Not sure why you cant agree to that
Where have I said I didn't?
I was pointing out LE incorrectly acting like the hit and run was the aggressor.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:50 pm to LNCHBOX
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It makes as much sense as what LE is saying. SO you're right, it is funny.
If LE is saying the initial hit and run excuses the murder, I'd agree he's wrong.
I haven't seen him make that case. You seem to keep wanting to paint his argument that way...probably because you've been so wrong so far.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:50 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you have proof that Smith pulled out a gun first, spill it.
WE dont know yet, dumbfrick. At some point you'll understand that point.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:51 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Outside of NOLA, you dont think the court of public opinion was swayed whatsoever about the news of the hit and run?
Well shite, if some slapdick on the radio says it, that must be what a jury will say.
You are going to say no, but you will be disingenuous
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:52 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:He has never said that. He has simply said there is no proof yet that Hayes is
Where have I said I didn't?
I was pointing out LE incorrectly acting like the hit and run was the aggressor.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:52 pm to lsupride87
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Outside of NOLA, you dont think the court of public opinion was swayed whatsoever about the news of the hit and run?
Perhaps I have the misguided thought that most people aren't stupid. But what you're talking about isn't relevant since everything related to this case will likely take place here.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:53 pm to gmrkr5
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how do we know Smith didnt get agitated he was still being followed and slam on the brakes and hop out of the car?
Will Smith was only followed for a minute or two. He was behind the Hummer until he rear ended it, then after 30 seconds, backed up and left the scene of the accident.
Driver/Shooter is a dumbass for following and confronting another driver in the middle of the night. You never know what kind of crazy you might get. T don't think Will would shoot anyone but another random driver might after the second incident.
I can be a very confrontational person when I'm pissed off and I can tell you I would only follow to try to get the license plate number.
Then I'd be on the phone with 911 and the insurance company.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:56 pm to Lester Earl
Does anyone think that the shots that hit Will's wife's leg could've come from a gun that Will was retrieving? I just don't understand how she gets shot twice in the leg. Will got shot in the back and right side of his torso. Did Hayes walk all the way up to the driver's side of Will's car and shoot two more times hitting her in the leg? I think it's more likely that Smith accidentally discharged a gun that he was retrieving from the glove box when he was hit by Hayes's shots. I don't know. I feel like if that is what happened it probably won't be made public.
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