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re: Updates on Saints 1st Round Picks

Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:15 pm to
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Collins late I believe would have addressed it considering he stays out of jail which I understand was a gamble


There's a reason no teams took that chance. It was called in from the top

Anyways, we picked him because we think he'll be a franchise tackle at one point. I'm happy with how we addressed defense, but do think we would have gone with that big ole DT if he wouldn't have been selected right before us
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49540 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 6:05 pm to
There's no excuse for our not getting an OG in the draft or free agency. Evan Mathis is a stud (probably not gettable with our cap situation) and Justin Blalock is a legit starting guard that can probably be had for the min. Something has to happen there.
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
23535 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 6:16 pm to
I think Lelito will be solid
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:35 am to
I think he will be too, but I fear we have a Harris situation at guard now too. If 1 of those guys goes down, we're fricked.

Tim could backup all 3 spots
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
23535 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:44 am to
I actually think Kelemete (sp?) is a decent backup.
Posted by klsu24
Member since Apr 2015
149 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:29 am to
haha- everyone keeps saying that they think Lelito will be solid. The problem is that it is all a "thought". We need insurance in case that is not the case. Maybe the FO knows more than we do-- I hope thats the case. Back to Peat-- drafting him and stashing him away for future use-- is that a joke? Brees is not getting any younger, and I get that we need to build for the future, but how many first round picks are drafted to sit the first year and learn? We give SJB a hard time for being a second round pick project.
Posted by 4thandinches
River Ridge
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:03 am to
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Maybe the FO knows more than we do-- I hope thats the case.


I would also certainly hope that the New Orleans Saints FO knows more than Saints Talk on Tigerdroppings.

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Peat-- drafting him and stashing him away for future use-- is that a joke? Brees is not getting any younger, and I get that we need to build for the future, but how many first round picks are drafted to sit the first year and learn?


I don't think we drafted Peat with the intentions of sitting him his first year, but CSP isn't going to put someone on the field that's not ready to be there (like you said, Brees isn't getting younger, and he can't continue to take the hits again this year that he took last year without turning into Eli). It doesn't mean he's a bust if he isn't immediately starting. No one posting on this board knows the difficulty of adjusting from CFB to the NFL.

I mean, frick. It's week 1 of the 2015 season and people are already chastising the pick. Give the man some time.
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53641 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:14 am to
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never know, Grayson might pull a Tom Brady ha


would be a miracle considering he can't even break the huddle correctly at this point
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8683 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:36 am to
Who are those morons that do the Saints Happy Hour podcast and what are their ST handles. They should be publicly shamed...
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
26207 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:10 am to
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He's a very good athlete, a very large man and like any young guy, we're going to give him time," Ingalls said Monday after the Saints wrapped up their morning practice at the Greenbrier resort.

Some of the drills have driven home how much time Peat, 21, may need. He's been regularly beaten by athletic ends on one-on-one pass-rush drills. But Ingalls said every drill provides an opportunity to learn.


Whelp day 3 much like day 1. I don't understand the project OL that early in round 1 when you have an aging QB who's window is closing in the next 3 years.

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Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8683 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:37 am to
Yep after day 3. Dumbest post yet...
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
26207 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:40 am to
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Yep after day 3. Dumbest post yet...


I just don't understand a project OL when you have a QB that has about 3 years of above average play.

Peat may be a stud in 3 years but that doesn't exactly help us now.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:44 am to
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haha- everyone keeps saying that they think Lelito will be solid. The problem is that it is all a "thought". We need insurance in case that is not the case. Maybe the FO knows more than we do-- I hope thats the case. 


We've all seen him play before. He should have started at C last year imo
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:45 am to
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just don't understand a project OL when you have a QB that has about 3 years of above average play. 

Peat may be a stud in 3 years but that doesn't exactly help us now.


Armstead was a much bigger project and was a big reason we won a playoff game in his rookie season.

There's gonna be a learning curve for any tackle. One of the reasons it is such a highly paid position

If we think he's a franchise tackle, then it makes sense even after brees
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 11:52 am
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 1:31 pm to
The Saints typically have a position they severely overlook every season. Last year it was the CB position with White this year it's going to be G. Lelito is going to be a black hole there and teams are going to abuse that hole. Watch. Never fails. Saints think they have something good enough and it always ends up being a horrible decision kinda like the C position for years.
Posted by 4thandinches
River Ridge
Member since Apr 2012
2395 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 2:38 pm to
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The Saints typically have a position they severely overlook every season. Last year it was the CB position with White this year it's going to be G. Lelito is going to be a black hole there and teams are going to abuse that hole. Watch. Never fails. Saints think they have something good enough and it always ends up being a horrible decision kinda like the C position for years.


Your self-appointed sense of insightfulness is comical.

I can think of many question marks on this roster before the season starts, but I'd at least like to see a few snaps before making any judgments.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6364 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 2:54 pm to
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I just don't understand a project OL when you have a QB that has about 3 years of above average play.

You say that like the Saints as an organization will cease to exist when Brees retires. A good offensive line is at the core of any decent offensive unit, Brees or no Brees. The only thing I look forward to when Brees retires is the bandwagoneers will have to find another tit to flock to. That, and perhaps a fantastic offensive line.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14146 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 4:29 pm to
Peat looked much better today. He's smart and he has the physical gifts. I'm not worried about Peat or Anthony
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11978 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 4:21 am to
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So while he won't start, he could save our season


The #13 pick. I think it's ridiculous to call the guy a bust already, but I think it's also ridiculous to pass on the players the Saints did for a guy who we all seem to agree won't start. Yes, he could be great in a year or two or he could play because of others injury but it just seems like the Saints could've used an immediate impact player when you have a closing window. JMO.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6364 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 5:59 am to
I am also the type of guy that wants to see immediate impact players in the first round as well. Cooks was one of those picks for us IMO, just bad luck with his injury. The Saints have deferred investing in the offensive line and the LB corps in the draft for so long, paying a premium for those positions in free agency is not the way to go (especially when you were getting mediocre performance from those free agents).

Sometimes to get the most value from a position you have to go for the unlikely candidate, even with early picks. You have to look at upside and cumulative potential and not the flash in the pan. This draft was 100% that, IMO. It addressed neglected positions that have proven to be liabilities in raw performance and also in redundancy.

Lofton was a fairly expensive acquisition, was a very good run-stopper but just wasn't versatile enough to be "the guy" in the LB corps. Hawthorne still has yet to pan out or come close to what he was in Seattle (has a lot to do with inconsistency at the coordinator position during his prime years).

Our offensive line has been in turmoil since Nicks left for Tampa. De La Puente was a backup quality single-gap blocker that really got exposed when one of our Pro Bowl guards left for greener pastures. It's been comedy of failures in that unit. Ironically enough, our Tackle play has been pretty good even with losing the consistency of Bushrod. The issue his leaving created was the lack of redundancy at the tackle position. Armstead has been a huge asset, but when he goes down we lose those games. It was so clear last season, Bryce Harris didn't belong on an NFL field. He looked like he was being pushed around around wearing Flintstones-esque concrete roller skates. If I blame the FO for anything, it was not recognizing the lack of redundancy at tackle as one of our biggest threats before the season started.

Give Peat a year of practicing against NFLers and converting some of that college frat-boy baby fat into muscle, he'll be a solid backup and eventual starter for what should be a stellar unit going forward. I too would've liked to see a Guard picked up later in the draft, but you can't fill every hole in one year in the draft. You simply can't expect a 100% return on every draft pick and sometimes you have to take a shotgun approach at positions of great need. That is one of the hazards of neglecting a unit for so long in the draft, you have to over-compensate to fix a major problem.
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 6:15 am
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