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re: Unless Amari Cooper is there when we pick...
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:00 pm to Tiger in Texas
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:00 pm to Tiger in Texas
Brees may throw for another 5,000 yards this season and people are talking about another WR in the first. Y'all are morons.
Draft an OL or defense.
I personally think Melvin Gordon is a bigger talent than Cooper anyways.
Draft an OL or defense.
I personally think Melvin Gordon is a bigger talent than Cooper anyways.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:09 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:It's nothing to do with need. Also, the draft is more than 1 round, last time I checked. If the Saints brass believe Cooper is the level of player some people on here, myself included, believe him to be, it'll be really hard to just let him go.
Brees may throw for another 5,000 yards this season and people are talking about another WR in the first. Y'all are morons.
Draft an OL or defense.
I personally think Melvin Gordon is a bigger talent than Cooper anyways.
If Cooper is there, you either take him or trade out of the pick. Passing on him? Not sure you wanna do that and watch him blow up like the...thing that blew up.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:09 pm to Eman5805
I think he is a huge talent, but I am not as high on him as others seem to be.
I view him more like a stud possession and screen player. I don't view him as the big play guy yet.
I view him more like a stud possession and screen player. I don't view him as the big play guy yet.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:30 pm to Colonel Flagg
Your definition of a possession WR intrigues me. Maybe you'll see some of that big play ability vs Ohio State.
Sammy Watkins simply went off vs mostly the same defense last year. Be interesting to see how Cooper stacks up.
Sammy Watkins simply went off vs mostly the same defense last year. Be interesting to see how Cooper stacks up.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:45 pm to Eman5805
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Posted by Eman5805
Your definition of a possession WR intrigues me. Maybe you'll see some of that big play ability vs Ohio State.
The deep threat plays he makes are easily reproduced by the other WRs in their offense. I question if that is more a ststem thing. I think his abilities workibg WR screens and work as a possession WR is very strong making him a solid first round talent. I just don't see Calvin Johnson or AJ Green in him.
That seems to be what most people expect him to be.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:58 pm to Colonel Flagg
It isn't the fact that Brees is going to throw for another 5k. Its the fact that we don't have a true #1 receiver right now and our talent needs to be replaced eventually because our main guy is getting old and his cap hit may potentially outweigh his worth to this team in a year or two.
If you give me a stud lineman, I'd take him over Cooper, but if Cooper is far away the BPA we have to take him or trade back, there's no passing on that.
If you give me a stud lineman, I'd take him over Cooper, but if Cooper is far away the BPA we have to take him or trade back, there's no passing on that.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:12 am to htran90
Brees is still a stud and a top QB in this league. The Saints would be stupid to worry about the distant future when the window of our future HoF QB will close in the next 3-5 seasons. You fix the lines and the defense. He will make up for any WR deficiencies at this point. Also the group the Saints have is very strong in this system and the Saints will have another roughly 5000 yard passing year.
They need to improve the OL and defense.
They need to improve the OL and defense.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:15 am to LSUperior
I like the picks, but any thoughts on Dante Fowler OLB/DE from FL?
I've seen a handful of FL games this season and he has been a stud. He is constantly double/triple teamed and still finds a way to be near the play.
I've seen a handful of FL games this season and he has been a stud. He is constantly double/triple teamed and still finds a way to be near the play.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:17 am to Colonel Flagg
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The deep threat plays he makes are easily reproduced by the other WRs in their offense. I question if that is more a ststem thing
He's put up 1,000 yards under 2 different systems in 3 years fwiw
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:17 am to Colonel Flagg
While an entertaining back-and-forth, the argument is pointless. Cooper will not make it past Tenn, Jax, NYJ, or Oak. And if for some reason he does, I seriously doubt Minn passes on him.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:18 am
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:22 am to Colonel Flagg
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Brees is still a stud and a top QB in this league. The Saints would be stupid to worry about the distant future when the window of our future HoF QB will close in the next 3-5 seasons. You fix the lines and the defense. He will make up for any WR deficiencies at this point. Also the group the Saints have is very strong in this system and the Saints will have another roughly 5000 yard passing year.
They need to improve the OL and defense.
I'm tired of "he makes up for the deficiencies". Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning can make up for the deficiencies too, but those 3 teams went out and got them weapons when they need it or replaced weapons when they lost it (minus last year for Brady). Its about time we actually load Brees up (along with a line through FA (Iupati) and earlier draft picks than these 6/7th round flyers)
Rodgers' has arguably the best tandem in the NFC and they still used a 2nd rounder to draft Davante Adams. Manning has arguably the best tandem in the AFC in D. Thomas and a solid #2 in Sanders and they still drafted Cody Latimer.
No one is going to deny that the line (both offensive and defensive) needs to be fixed first, but the situation is very real and possible that at where we're sitting the best ones in the draft will be taken.
Trading back is the solution we would all agree on if that is the case, but if our hand is forced to pick...you want us to reach and draft a DL/OL/OLB/CB that is slotted as a late teen/early 20s guy over Cooper?
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:24 am
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:29 am to htran90
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Trading back is the solution we would all agree on if that is the case, but if our hand is forced to pick...you want us to reach and draft a DL/OL/OLB/CB that is slotted as a late teen/early 20s guy over Cooper?
This is my point. Especially since we haven't been exactly killing it on the evaluation side, getting a "can't-miss" guy like Cooper could really help us.
Yes, we were a top offense, but you gotta stay ahead of the game. I couldn't pass on Cooper if he fell to us.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:39 am to SabiDojo
Amari Cooper is over rated. Mid 1st to early 2 in my opinion. The talent is there but I have some questions. My biggest issues are contested catches and drops. He drops a lot of catches. And also he doesn't make many contested catches. I will say this though, he is quick, good in traffic and space, good route runner. Just my opinion though. He won't make it to the saints pick though. Crabtree 2.0
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:24 am to LSUperior
We shouldn't go after defensive players until the later rounds. We will continue to screw up with picks like P Rob, and SJB... We need Cooper!
Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:43 am to tigershark20
I don't think he falls to us. I'm just saying if he does, I would keep him.
Personally, I hope we get La'Ell.
Personally, I hope we get La'Ell.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:11 am to adamb2151
Dude, Amari is the megaton/Julio type player most on this board have said is the one key missing piece (for like the last four years)
We absolutely take him if he's there.
But he won't be.
We absolutely take him if he's there.
But he won't be.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:16 am to LSUperior
I don't know anything about offensive linemen in the draft, but one strategy I would like to see is go CB in free agency and bolster that offensive line in the middle through the draft.
Center and a guard, possibly a tackle are a must.
Center and a guard, possibly a tackle are a must.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:25 am to Bearded Angler
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And also he doesn't make many contested catches
There's a reason for that, and it ain't the quarterback
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:52 am to Bearded Angler
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Amari Cooper is over rated. Mid 1st to early 2 in my opinion
Your opinion is bad
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biggest issues are contested catches and drops.
Makes sense now. Your Amari Cooper film study consists of a game against LSU.
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He drops a lot of catches. And also he doesn't make many contested catches.
As someone that's watched every snap of his career, I can tell you that both of these statements are completely false. Particularly making the contested catch. He's done that time after time in his career in big moments. I'm wondering if you know which one Amari Cooper is. He's number 9
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:07 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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