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So what should we be “rooting for” long term?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:06 pm
Obviously the Saints
But how do we get out of this purgatory that we are in currently?
Our model makes sense when building around one of the best QBs to ever breathe oxygen, but we got some tough breaks and it didn’t work out.
Now? We can’t win the worst division in football and we are even further than that from truly competing. We don’t have the staff or the players, and we are tripling down on what could have been instead of what is.
So what is the best possible solution? Bottom out and suck for years? Sell high on our young guys? Pray for a good young coach? Does any of it matter when we have an owner who is seemingly oblivious to the iceberg that just hit the titanic?
I just want to be optimistic again, and for that I either need to get dumber or we need to get smarter. What are the moves?
But how do we get out of this purgatory that we are in currently?
Our model makes sense when building around one of the best QBs to ever breathe oxygen, but we got some tough breaks and it didn’t work out.
Now? We can’t win the worst division in football and we are even further than that from truly competing. We don’t have the staff or the players, and we are tripling down on what could have been instead of what is.
So what is the best possible solution? Bottom out and suck for years? Sell high on our young guys? Pray for a good young coach? Does any of it matter when we have an owner who is seemingly oblivious to the iceberg that just hit the titanic?
I just want to be optimistic again, and for that I either need to get dumber or we need to get smarter. What are the moves?
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
with the Saints cleaning house on offense at least that is a sign of them thinking and approaching things in a new way.
but they shouldn't stop there. Please no more trading up in the damn draft and other teams taking advantage of the desperation. You know? Don't over play your hand. Other teams took notes of how the eagles ripped us off.
Consider trading down for once and maybe picking up a pick or two more. Leave no stone unturned. Know where you made mistakes before, and fricking acknowledge them and learn from it.
the only thing that Loomis said in that super annoying gum smacking presser that I liked was that there was too much complacency and that was on him.
but they shouldn't stop there. Please no more trading up in the damn draft and other teams taking advantage of the desperation. You know? Don't over play your hand. Other teams took notes of how the eagles ripped us off.
Consider trading down for once and maybe picking up a pick or two more. Leave no stone unturned. Know where you made mistakes before, and fricking acknowledge them and learn from it.
the only thing that Loomis said in that super annoying gum smacking presser that I liked was that there was too much complacency and that was on him.
This post was edited on 2/24/24 at 6:08 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:58 pm to NawlinsTiger9
I think the Saints winning the division should be secondary.
The primary concern should be divesting the team of aging and non performing high priced contracts. This can’t happen overnight.
Younger cheaper talent needs to fill the void. A 3 to 5 year business plan needs to be employed to fix the the salary cap.
Bill Belichick would trade down accumulating future draft picks. Sometimes he traded future draft picks for higher future draft picks. When the time was right, he used the future draft picks to get players of need.
The Saints currently have players that can not be traded or cut because of dead money consequences. Accumulating draft picks while gradually getting rid of the dead fat will allow for an improving salary cap and deferring and accumulating high draft picks to the future.
It’s a total rebuild for the future with cap relief and higher accumulating draft picks for the next coaching staff.
The primary concern should be divesting the team of aging and non performing high priced contracts. This can’t happen overnight.
Younger cheaper talent needs to fill the void. A 3 to 5 year business plan needs to be employed to fix the the salary cap.
Bill Belichick would trade down accumulating future draft picks. Sometimes he traded future draft picks for higher future draft picks. When the time was right, he used the future draft picks to get players of need.
The Saints currently have players that can not be traded or cut because of dead money consequences. Accumulating draft picks while gradually getting rid of the dead fat will allow for an improving salary cap and deferring and accumulating high draft picks to the future.
It’s a total rebuild for the future with cap relief and higher accumulating draft picks for the next coaching staff.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:22 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Dennis Allen to get fired and Graves to buy the team and keep them in Louisiana.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 1:45 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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But how do we get out of this purgatory that we are in currently?
Draft better, coach better
That's it
Posted on 2/24/24 at 2:20 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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So what should we be “rooting for” long term?
The new offensive staff overhaul.
Carr loves and plays well in it.
Jake Haener has a great camp, is the easy choice at #2 and shows a lot promise.
Mr X shows to be a terror at rushing the QB.
The owner shows she can hold the FO accountable.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 2:46 pm to Rand AlThor
You forgot, 'play better' as well
Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:31 pm to NawlinsTiger9
To tank again next year and hopefully Mickey/Gayle get their heads out of their rectums and eliminate Dennis from the equation. Then, with a competent coach, we rebuild and become competitive again.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 3:52 am to NawlinsTiger9
Mediocrity-to-just-below-mediocrity is the absolute worst.
I'd rather gut the team now & be the worst team for a year or two, get a fresh new HC, rebuild the roster starting with a franchise rookie QB and watch it grow into a contender. The losses don't sting as much bc there's no expectations and the wins instill hope. The Bengals & Texans recent rebuilds come to mind.
But it's a chore watching an aging team try to hang on to relevance by signing pricey mediocre vets, drafting mid-tier prospects, and flexi-sealing the leaks in the eventual dam break with new coordinator hires, and the team still falls short of the playoffs. Just start over now.
I'd rather gut the team now & be the worst team for a year or two, get a fresh new HC, rebuild the roster starting with a franchise rookie QB and watch it grow into a contender. The losses don't sting as much bc there's no expectations and the wins instill hope. The Bengals & Texans recent rebuilds come to mind.
But it's a chore watching an aging team try to hang on to relevance by signing pricey mediocre vets, drafting mid-tier prospects, and flexi-sealing the leaks in the eventual dam break with new coordinator hires, and the team still falls short of the playoffs. Just start over now.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 7:26 am to NawlinsTiger9
This is such a tough question and it shouldn’t be. 
I want to win, and this roster has enough talent to do so. Maybe even to make a run. Does a new OC inject life into this offense? I think Carr is capable of being the guy, but can he get his team behind him?
I just have zero faith Dennis Allen can be a championship coach. I hope to god I’m wrong about that.
This season will be one all about leadership. Because if the leadership is not there, I think the team will implode. And Allen is likely gone before the need of the season. And we’re in cap hell. The best thing we can hope for is for the leaders in the team to step up and make a run. Because the only way we navigate thru the next few years is too ball out and make people want to be here.
I want to win, and this roster has enough talent to do so. Maybe even to make a run. Does a new OC inject life into this offense? I think Carr is capable of being the guy, but can he get his team behind him?
I just have zero faith Dennis Allen can be a championship coach. I hope to god I’m wrong about that.
This season will be one all about leadership. Because if the leadership is not there, I think the team will implode. And Allen is likely gone before the need of the season. And we’re in cap hell. The best thing we can hope for is for the leaders in the team to step up and make a run. Because the only way we navigate thru the next few years is too ball out and make people want to be here.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:34 am to NawlinsTiger9
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But how do we get out of this purgatory that we are in currently?
We most likely won’t any time soon. It will probably get worse before it gets better. Our strategy is to win the worst division in the nfl and catch lightning in a bottle during the playoffs.
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just want to be optimistic again, and for that I either need to get dumber
Either get dumber or lie to yourself. Make sure not to watch any other nfl games outside of Saints football so you can bias yourself into thinking we are a deep playoff caliber team. Then live on this board and you will receive further confirmation bias by the other face painters who have no idea what they’re talking about.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:33 am to elprez00
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I want to win, and this roster has enough talent to do so. Maybe even to make a run
Lmao no
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I think Carr is capable of being the guy
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:44 am to NawlinsTiger9
1. We need to nail this draft.
2. We need to bite the bullet on some contracts and take our lumps for a year or two.
3. We won’t tank and we won’t win enough to win the division. We need to do bad enough that the front office can’t justify keeping Allen anymore (I thought we passed that point, but evidently not).
4. We need to hire a really good coach next year.
5. We need to nail next years draft class as well.
2. We need to bite the bullet on some contracts and take our lumps for a year or two.
3. We won’t tank and we won’t win enough to win the division. We need to do bad enough that the front office can’t justify keeping Allen anymore (I thought we passed that point, but evidently not).
4. We need to hire a really good coach next year.
5. We need to nail next years draft class as well.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:25 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Pray for a good young coach?
Or maybe just a good coach? Who cares about his age?
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:03 am to NawlinsTiger9
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But how do we get out of this purgatory that we are in currently?
1. Draft well, something we haven’t been doing the last few years.
2. Find a QB. Right now we have to hope Carr can be fixed with a new OC. If not, time to find the future.
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