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re: so someone explain why AP's fumble wasn't a fumble
Posted on 10/7/08 at 10:46 am to bbap
Posted on 10/7/08 at 10:46 am to bbap
It was a definitely a fumble in my opinion. The more questionable call on that play was that it was never ruled down like hochuli said. The whistle only blew whenever mckenzie stepped out of bounds after the awesome lateral. If he was down by contact that was an extremely late whistle that could of gotten someone seriously hurt. Then since it was a very close review it shouldn't of been upheld because it was a tie goes to the runner, irrefutable evidence. There was a lot messed up on that call. The back judge who was right next to the play let it go on he must of saw what 70,000 fans saw. 
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Posted on 10/7/08 at 10:50 am to cene
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It was just one of many f'd up calls by last nights crew.
Don't forget the no pass iterference call on the first drive when they mugged the wr in the end zone. Total bullshite officiating by the refs the whole game
Posted on 10/7/08 at 10:52 am to gmoney55
grabbing the back of the jersey of a WR who has you beat is the same as accidental feet tangle according to them.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 10:54 am to bbap
the only f'n way he was able to to tangle his feet with him was bc the WR was dragging his azz.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 11:05 am to bbap
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it was a fumble. pretty easy call honestly.
prety easy? the ball was coming loose before the knee hit the ground.. how is that not a fumble?
umm are you drunk?
I might be.. I read that wrong.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 11:09 am to BilJ
There is a difference between "loose" and "coming loose." The hit that forced the fumble had been delivered, but the ball was still in his hand. This means there's a difference between "control of the ball" and "possession of the ball." AP had possession since it clearly was in his hand, but he did not have control.
I'm not sure how the rule is worded here.
I'm not sure how the rule is worded here.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 11:42 am to xiv
The whole play was strange because there was NO whistle until McKenzie stepped out of bounds. Then Hochuli, without conferring with the other officials, says "the runner was down by contact at the 44". Since there was no whistle, why did he not confer like they do every other time? Who blew the whistle? Who saw the play clearly? I guess Hochuli saw it clearly.
In looking at the replay, clearly, the ball was coming loose before his knee hit the ground. The old saying that the ground can't cause a fumble, does not apply. To say that because the ball is still touching his hand, that he had control of the ball is grasping at straws.
In looking at the replay, clearly, the ball was coming loose before his knee hit the ground. The old saying that the ground can't cause a fumble, does not apply. To say that because the ball is still touching his hand, that he had control of the ball is grasping at straws.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:24 pm to tigercavor
Nobody can explain it, because it was a fumble. Saints got screwed last night and this is coming from a Skins fan.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:31 pm to tigercavor
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The whole play was strange because there was NO whistle until McKenzie stepped out of bounds. Then Hochuli, without conferring with the other officials, says "the runner was down by contact at the 44". Since there was no whistle, why did he not confer like they do every other time? Who blew the whistle? Who saw the play clearly? I guess Hochuli saw it clearly.
Good point. I guess he is just against calling fumbles. At least it wasn't as devastating to the Saints as the Chargers.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:42 pm to araby
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so someone explain why AP's fumble wasn't a fumble
Because they were playing the Saints. Against any other team, it would have been a fumble. I am starting to believe the Saints and Chicago Cubs are both cursed.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:43 pm to araby
I've lost all respect for this ref and his crew. I used to think this guy and his crew were one of the best, but he has showed us this year that he is dropping the fricking ball big time 
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:45 pm to araby
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Good point. I guess he is just against calling fumbles. At least it wasn't as devastating to the Saints as the Chargers.
just because it didn't happen in the last 2 minutes of the game, doesn't mean it wasn't as devastating
Posted on 10/7/08 at 12:48 pm to josh336
both were indeed bad at the crucial moments that they happened.
its a game changing play no matter when it happens.
its a game changing play no matter when it happens.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 1:25 pm to cene
Difference is that he didn't have a chance to reverse his mistake in the SD game, but he did last night and failed.
Last night's bad call was a for worse call than the SD game.
Last night's bad call was a for worse call than the SD game.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:37 pm to RedHawk
looking at the replay, in an unbiased opinion, i think there wasnt enough evidence to over turn it.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 2:42 pm to BilJ
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so someone explain why AP's fumble wasn't a fumble
It was a very close call - to close I think to overturn. Every Saints fan will see it as a fumble and all the Vikings fans will see AP as down before...that's not why we lost the game.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 8:05 pm to RedHawk
quote:Hochuli himself explained it. The trajectory of the ball had begun, but it hadn't yet left the possession of AP's hand. While the ball was beyond AP's control since that very trajectory led to the ball being completely loose nanoseconds later, at the time AP's knee hit the ground, the ball was still in his hand.
Nobody can explain it, because it was a fumble.
He had possession, but not control. It was probably the right call.
FWIW, I was watching the game at Bar None in New York, which serves, coincidentally, as the Saints bar as well as the Vikings bar, and there was a fair mix from both sides of the fans as to what they thought.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 8:23 pm to xiv
where was the whistle ruling him down and the ball dead? I only heard a whistle when MM stepped out.
The correct call before the challenge should of been. Because no one blew the whistle until the new orleans player stepped out, sweet lateral by the way, we have to determine that it was a fumble there fore by rule new orleans gets the ball...first down. It was like before the challenge even happened, which would of been used by Minnesota, would of been too close to call therefore you couldn't overturn it....open minded you have to see it could of gone both ways, therefore no strong evidence.
The cheat was not the challenge but the call before the challenge...thats what i was mostly upset about during and after the play.
The correct call before the challenge should of been. Because no one blew the whistle until the new orleans player stepped out, sweet lateral by the way, we have to determine that it was a fumble there fore by rule new orleans gets the ball...first down. It was like before the challenge even happened, which would of been used by Minnesota, would of been too close to call therefore you couldn't overturn it....open minded you have to see it could of gone both ways, therefore no strong evidence.
The cheat was not the challenge but the call before the challenge...thats what i was mostly upset about during and after the play.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 8:27 pm to BilJ
It was the first i've EVER heard of that explanation. 
Posted on 10/7/08 at 10:13 pm to xiv
quote:If he did not have control, how in the hell he had possesion?No control=no possesion. The ball came loose before his knee touch, thefore (no control/no possesion).
He had possession, but not control. It was probably the right call.
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