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re: So Brees is the NFL leader in yards, TDs, comp%; is 13-3, yet isnt the MVP?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:06 pm to shel311
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:06 pm to shel311
quote:
If you wanna know the real, best numbers to rate a QB on, there's 3:
TD%
INT%
Yards per attempt
Phillip Rivers beat Peyton Manning in all three of those categories in 2008, but Peyton Manning still won the MVP soley because his team had the most wins.
Don't randomly make-up the criteria for winning MVP out of convenience when Brees clearly out-played Rodgers this year & every other QB in the history of the NFL.
The NFL MVP is as fricked up as the Heisman used to be recently.
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:06 pm to Catman88
quote:LOL, wow.
Yards per catch means jack shite
And it's not yards per catch, by the way.
quote:Yea, you're right, Rodgers' and Brees' passes have nothing to do with the YAC their WRs get.
since players getting yards after the catch is factored into it and offensive scheme as well
quote:Super unbiased viewpoint.
I would take drew brees over rodgers every fricking day of the week
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:07 pm to shel311
quote:
And YPA is a much more important stat, just think about it.
You gain a full yard more every time you throw the ball. That's it, it doesn't need further explanation.
You're missing the point. The 2011 Saints had the most offensive yards in NFL history. Normally, I'd say you're absolutely right. I would take that extra yard every attempt. But when you're comparing that to a team that still gained more yards passing despite a lower YPA, it's not the most solid argument for the overall season.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:08 pm to LSUFreek
quote:
Phillip Rivers beat Peyton Manning in all three of those categories in 2008, but Peyton Manning still won the MVP soley because his team had the most wins.
Don't randomly make-up the criteria for winning MVP out of convenience when Brees clearly out-played Rodgers this year & every other QB in the history of the NFL.
The NFL MVP is as fricked up as the Heisman used to be recently.
Boom goes the mother fricking dynamite.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:09 pm to LSUFreek
quote:Right, and I'll disagree with that every time.
Phillip Rivers beat Peyton Manning in all three of those categories in 2008, but Peyton Manning still won the MVP soley because his team had the most wins.
quote:EVERYONE has different criteria. It's MY thought on who deserves, I'll use whatever the hell stats I want, but thanks for trying to impose what YOu think is right upon me LOL.
Don't randomly make-up the criteria for winning MVP
quote:Except this is simply not true.
Brees clearly out-played Rodgers this year
You don't understand the concept of "clearly". If it was clearly, then close to 100% of people would say Brees had a better year without hesitation, no? There's a reason why, if you take saints/Packers fans out of it, over 50% will say Rodgers was better. you can make up all the excuses as to why that is, but to say "clearly" is 100% false.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:10 pm to shel311
however you are acting like its clearly Arods award. Im a proponent of a Co-mvp
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:10 pm to Cam71090
quote:
Boom goes the mother fricking dynamite.
quote:
but Peyton Manning still won the MVP soley because his team had the most wins.
Yep. BOOM goes the dynamite.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:11 pm to shel311
quote:
Except this is simply not true.
You don't understand the concept of "clearly". If it was clearly, then close to 100% of people would say Brees had a better year without hesitation, no? There's a reason why, if you take saints/Packers fans out of it, over 50% will say Rodgers was better. you can make up all the excuses as to why that is, but to say "clearly" is 100% false.
Take the historic context into account here. Which season will be talked about more in the context of NFL history? That goes to Brees.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:11 pm to Cam71090
quote:No, i'm arguing that it is my opinion that Rodgers was better.
however you are acting like its clearly Arods award.
I never said he was clearly better. Again, if it's up for debate and it CLEARLY is, then it's not "clearly"
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:12 pm to Deathrider
quote:
On the other hand, Brees has had one of the best seasons by a QB in NFL history. His historic 2011 season will be talked about for years to come. No way is Rodgers more deserving than Brees.
no it won't be, because besides on the broadcasts of saints games, his season isn't really talked about
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:13 pm to shel311
quote:
You don't understand the concept of "clearly". If it was clearly, then close to 100% of people would say Brees had a better year without hesitation, no?
I clearly see you love Rodgers' cock. That's all I clearly see because "your criteria" for why Brees shouldn't be MVP has been demolished. But continue on.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:14 pm to shel311
what a dumb fricking argument..
You wouldnt take a QB that threw for even 4 yards every pass but nobody can stop? NEWS FLASH you will score more points and always have more yards.
Saints finished with a 1k yards more offense.. Yea who would want that.
You wouldnt take a QB that threw for even 4 yards every pass but nobody can stop? NEWS FLASH you will score more points and always have more yards.
Saints finished with a 1k yards more offense.. Yea who would want that.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:15 pm to Mr. Hangover
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no it won't be, because besides on the broadcasts of saints games, his season isn't really talked about
Right now? I'd say you're right. It's almost criminal that Brees had one of the best seasons a QB has had in NFL history and did not get more attention than he has gotten. However, I still think history will be more kind once Brees is eligible for the Hall of Fame.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:17 pm to shel311
Another MORE important stat:
NFL 3rd down completion %
NO 56.28
GB 48.3
Thats a HUGE difference and directly leads to Brees having more offensive plays. Many coaches would tell you that it one of the most important stats in the entire game.
NFL 3rd down completion %
NO 56.28
GB 48.3
Thats a HUGE difference and directly leads to Brees having more offensive plays. Many coaches would tell you that it one of the most important stats in the entire game.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:18 pm to LSUFreek
quote:This is why I hate these boards, I can't stand arguing with people who are mental midgets and have the maturity of 13 year olds and fricking cry about it when someone disagrees with them.
I clearly see you love Rodgers' cock
Man the frick up buddy.
quote:
. That's all I clearly see because "your criteria" for why Brees shouldn't be MVP has been demolished.
My criteria has been demolished by who? You're a pretty funny dude.
We are arguing who WE think should win MVP, right? So I'll use whatever the frick criteria I want. And teh funny thing is you just think i'm picking and choosing numbers to go against Brees and for Rodgers, but you're wayyyyyyyy too biased to realize I use these numbers every single year as my criteria. If you had any ability to step back and view things unbiasedly, you may have noticed that. But you CLEARLY don't have that ability.
But continue on with your little girly insults.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:18 pm to Catman88
It's funny that the third down conversion rate by the Saints isn't mentioned so much in the media.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:20 pm to Catman88
quote:Not over a QB who threw for 5 yards every pass.
You wouldnt take a QB that threw for even 4 yards every pass
quote:I know, I ALWAYS want the QB who throws for LESS yards per attempt. That is clearly the better way to do things.
what a dumb fricking argument.
quote:
Saints finished with a 1k yards more offense
I'm pretty sure both offenses finished with the same amount of TDs, or within 1 or 2 of each other. So that's a lot of extra yards that didn't amount to extra scores, no?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:21 pm to Catman88
quote:
Another MORE important stat:
NFL 3rd down completion %
NO 56.28
GB 48.3
Thats a HUGE difference and directly leads to Brees having more offensive plays. Many coaches would tell you that it one of the most important stats in the entire game.
See, THAT is a great argument.
That's good stuff.
Unlike others around here, I can concede that and realize it's shite like that I may not have factored in,b ut that is super important.
But I still got Rodgers.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:23 pm to shel311
quote:
See, THAT is a great argument.
Yet all the offensive records Brees broke this season are not good arguments? I don't want to seem like I'm putting words in your mouth, so I just want to know you're opinion on that.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:23 pm to shel311
quote:
We are arguing who WE think should win MVP, right? So I'll use whatever the frick criteria I want
First there is no argument, because that requires two people to have one and you don't have one.
Second, you can continue to use "whatever the frick criteria you want". Please do. It makes you look like more of an arse because it has already been shot down with facts.
Now continue on. But be clearer. It's hard to make sense of what you are saying with Rodgers cock in your mouth.
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