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Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:44 am to St Augustine
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If I had to guess what I think rattler will become with some experience it’s a backup with some juice. I think he’s a guy that ideally could win you a couple of games on an extended starting qb injury but will ultimately make too many mistakes to prolong it once he’s been starting for a few weeks.
I agree. I hope thats what the Saints think too.
I like DC too but we need to let Moore find his guy.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:45 am to GynoSandberg
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Yes we aren’t operating at a significant disadvantage.
To be fair there are several teams in this chart with similar success and cap strategies as the Saints.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:01 am to P bean
You can do this and be the Saints, Seahawks, Falcons or Browns
Or you can be the Bill, Eagles, Chiefs, or Ravens
There’s a tiny difference between those groups of 4
Or you can be the Bill, Eagles, Chiefs, or Ravens
There’s a tiny difference between those groups of 4
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:21 am to GynoSandberg
You listed the Browns, but forgot to mention, texans, bucs, dolphins, broncos, packers, rams, etc all of which are closer to the Saints than the Browns.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:56 am to P bean
The broncos and packers have $40 mi in cap space, the Rams have $30 mil. Broncos are a playoff team with a QB, Packers are a playoff team with a QB, rams are a playoff team with a QB
Texans have been in the playoffs the last two years and Bucs haven’t missed since 2019. Dolphins were playoff teams in ‘22 and ‘23
We are 30-38 the last four years and haven’t made the playoffs since 2020. These teams you listed have not seen similar success to us. They are all Playoff teams. Three of the them have way more cap space than us.
We are in the dumpster tier with the bad teams with bad money decisions
Texans have been in the playoffs the last two years and Bucs haven’t missed since 2019. Dolphins were playoff teams in ‘22 and ‘23
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To be fair there are several teams in this chart with similar success and cap strategies as the Saints.
We are 30-38 the last four years and haven’t made the playoffs since 2020. These teams you listed have not seen similar success to us. They are all Playoff teams. Three of the them have way more cap space than us.
We are in the dumpster tier with the bad teams with bad money decisions
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:50 am to GynoSandberg
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These teams you listed have not seen similar success to us. They are all Playoff teams.
Naw. They are borderline playoff teams. Several seasons they lucked into the playoffs. Bucs especially.
And the browns are much further away on that list than they are.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 11:52 am
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:39 pm to bonethug0180
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Bad luck with injuries and bad signings have fricked us way more than the cap has ever come close to doing. That and Allen.
and Mickey has blame for all of the above except injuries.
The other problem with continually shoving shite into the future is the assumption of everything going according to plan, anything outside that happens outside of that can be crippling, while for other teams it’s a minor set back. The cap not going up post COVID and the Ram injury REALLY put us in a bad spot and triggered a lot of moves that are still weighing us. Those issues are not Mickey’s fault exactly but the position we’re in when these things happen sure are.
In the end you’re arguing for a GM that you have admitted the following on,
1) he’s had multiple bad FA signings that have hindered his own cap strategy.
2) hires an incompetent HC and stuck with him. Making winning with a middling, thin roster even harder. So the argument is “guys the mismanagement of the cap isn’t even our biggest issue. He sucks in other areas even more!”
Not even diving into poor draft day picks and trades that have plagued us in recent years.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:41 pm to P bean
Worst 40 mil ever spent
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:10 pm to Neilfish
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Worst 40 mil ever spent
I did title the thread simplest take, but I dont think this is the best explanation of it.
Lol. Fair enough. I disagree though. Carr is just aging poorly so far, and Kellen Moore needs to get his guy imo.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 7:57 pm to bonethug0180
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think people are misunderstanding, because we ABSOLUTELY could have easily gotten under without touching Carr, though it would have meant very little room for FAs after signing our draft class.
As it currently stands, we can get to $42 mil under with simple restructures on several players (we can push it a little further with a few more, but most of them save very little). So that means if we didn't restructure Carr we still could have created about $12 mil in space, which would be enough to trudge on to next season.
And the other option, cutting Carr, would have netted us about $29 mil in savings, though not until post June 1st, so we still would have had to do enough restructures to get under the cap, though could hold off on signing draft picks until post June 1st.
Where are you getting this?
It would've taken like every contract on the roster to get under. They would've had to restructure AND give new contracts to old players like cam to get under.
They couldn't have waited to cut Carr on June 1st cause they needed to be under for the new league yr.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:01 pm to bonethug0180
We can also restructure and carry every bit over to next year regardless if we choose to
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:09 pm to bonethug0180
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It's obviously a strategy because Loomis laid it out quite plainly in an interview before we even signed Carr. The concept is simple: as long as it's allowed to keep borrowing money from future years there is literally no reason not to do so. As long as you understand how to plan ahead and know when what dead money is going to hit, you just constantly push as there is no penalty for doing so. And if you push and don't use some of the money, you just carry it back forward into that next year, which means whatever you borrowed but don't spend is never lost.
Sure borrow money from future years when you need to. He is borrowing money folsom future yrs for every single contract on the roster.
He isn't doing that cause he's smart. He is doing it because he backed himself into a corner.
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