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re: Simplest Carr breakdown - update with trade speculation post June 1
Posted on 3/9/25 at 3:51 pm to St Augustine
Posted on 3/9/25 at 3:51 pm to St Augustine
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Ehh with it being so similar I'd think you'd want the extra security/options as a HC. Rattler very likely isn't it but the chances he received in no way allow for any kind of accurate assessment. Brady and Brees would've struggled with that supporting cast.
All fair.
Saints keeping Carr is insurance if we try to find a legit replacement. Similar to other teams lining a vet with a younger player, falcons, possibly Raiders.
The reality was there was no chance to get under the cap without a Carr restructure, and it was the only option.
The point is that I dont see it as a sign of commitment to Carr.
Edit- expensive insurance, but so is Cousins with the Falcons etc
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:09 pm to bstaceyau19
This couldn’t be further from the truth. They couldn’t cut carr. We didn’t have the money to ear his dead money and find a reasonable way to get under the cap. Now Moore may not think much of Rattler but restructuring Carr does not mean that at all.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:14 pm to P bean
I think people are misunderstanding, because we ABSOLUTELY could have easily gotten under without touching Carr, though it would have meant very little room for FAs after signing our draft class.
As it currently stands, we can get to $42 mil under with simple restructures on several players (we can push it a little further with a few more, but most of them save very little). So that means if we didn't restructure Carr we still could have created about $12 mil in space, which would be enough to trudge on to next season.
And the other option, cutting Carr, would have netted us about $29 mil in savings, though not until post June 1st, so we still would have had to do enough restructures to get under the cap, though could hold off on signing draft picks until post June 1st.
So there were options with him, but given that we restructured him it seems obvious the plan was to go ahead and very likely keep him through 2026, and restructuring him allows us to sign whatever FAs we want this year (once we get some other restructures and potential cuts in), and sets up for one last restructure on him next year unless we find a replacement or he fails sspectacular.
While we can move on from him next year, it's basically a $40 mil decision to keep him, which is cheap for starting QBs these days.
As for Carr, I think people are trying to put something into the air with him by reading into every little thing. If Carr was "shopping" himself and we didn't okay it, that would have actually been grounds for terminating his contract outright. So either we told him to look for a trade, or people are full of shite (which happens all the time when these sports "reporters" get bored and try to generate clicks).
As it currently stands, we can get to $42 mil under with simple restructures on several players (we can push it a little further with a few more, but most of them save very little). So that means if we didn't restructure Carr we still could have created about $12 mil in space, which would be enough to trudge on to next season.
And the other option, cutting Carr, would have netted us about $29 mil in savings, though not until post June 1st, so we still would have had to do enough restructures to get under the cap, though could hold off on signing draft picks until post June 1st.
So there were options with him, but given that we restructured him it seems obvious the plan was to go ahead and very likely keep him through 2026, and restructuring him allows us to sign whatever FAs we want this year (once we get some other restructures and potential cuts in), and sets up for one last restructure on him next year unless we find a replacement or he fails sspectacular.
While we can move on from him next year, it's basically a $40 mil decision to keep him, which is cheap for starting QBs these days.
As for Carr, I think people are trying to put something into the air with him by reading into every little thing. If Carr was "shopping" himself and we didn't okay it, that would have actually been grounds for terminating his contract outright. So either we told him to look for a trade, or people are full of shite (which happens all the time when these sports "reporters" get bored and try to generate clicks).
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:20 pm to bonethug0180
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While we can move on from him next year, it's basically a $40 mil decision to keep him, which is cheap for starting QBs these days.
Ok people really need to quit using this line.
It’s not bad for a starting qb depending upon your roster. We lack cap space, our roster is thin, and lacks top end talent. If you factor all of that in, Carr is way overpriced for us, I don’t give a shite what the market is because the difference in starting carr vs rattler has the same outcome, no playoffs. Carr is just worth an extra win or two that keeps you from drafting a qb worth a damn.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:23 pm to P bean
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Saints keeping Carr is insurance
$69 million cap hit next year for Insurance. Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis as backups for Breeze are insurance.
Cart as insurance is a comment only a face painter can make and love.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:31 pm to Geauxldilocks
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$69 million cap hit next year
It will never be this. Quit typing it, it’s dumb
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:33 pm to Geauxldilocks
If you’re driving a 1991 Honda civic it makes total financial sense to buy the most expensive full insurance policy you can find
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:37 pm to BilJ
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If you’re driving a 1991 Honda civic it makes total financial sense to buy the most expensive full insurance policy you can find
Stupid analogy
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:41 pm to Chad504boy
So glad they met this fat retarded frick out of TD jail.
Dog beater p bean was coming for your crown as biggest saintard but you’ve come back with a vengeance. Calling a deebo a top 10 cb is top notch tard stuff, you haven’t lost your fastball chadboi
Dog beater p bean was coming for your crown as biggest saintard but you’ve come back with a vengeance. Calling a deebo a top 10 cb is top notch tard stuff, you haven’t lost your fastball chadboi
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:42 pm to BilJ
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So glad they met this fat retarded frick out of TD jail. Dog beater p bean was coming for your crown as biggest saintard but you’ve come back with a vengeance
Petulant nonsense. Go cry cap space some more
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:44 pm to Chad504boy
Keep defending the cap tactics of Mickey, he clearly knows what he’s doing
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:44 pm to bonethug0180
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As it currently stands, we can get to $42 mil under with simple restructures on several players (we can push it a little further with a few more, but most of them save very little). So that means if we didn't restructure Carr we still could have created about $12 mil in space, which would be enough to trudge on to next season.
Hopefully we’re done with this bullshite at this point. There is no championship window. Time to actually build a roster before resorting to this smoke and mirrors crap to bring in more vets.
It’s time for homegrown talent and flexibility.
And to clarify. I know we have to do it a bit to become cap compliant. What we DON’T need to do is free up 40+ M dollars for free agents.
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:45 pm to BilJ
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Keep defending the cap tactics of Mickey, he clearly knows what he’s doing
This was never getting fixed overnight
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:47 pm to BilJ
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He created the mess
Along w Payton who quit on us
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:48 pm to Chad504boy
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Along w Payton who quit on us
And he kept the pedal down afterwards.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:51 pm to Chad504boy
Kicking the can made sense when you had brees and Payton, trying to extend your window while sacrificing the future made sense
Everything you’ve done since they left has not made sense. Signing Carr never made any sense at all for this roster, that’s not operating in hindsight either.
Everything you’ve done since they left has not made sense. Signing Carr never made any sense at all for this roster, that’s not operating in hindsight either.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:59 pm to St Augustine
Whatever isn't spent can be carried forward, so the only reason not to do it is if you'd rather cut a player over keeping him.
There is literally no drawback to kicking the can as long as you are keeping an eye on the dead money on the back end (which is just money you would have had to pay on earlier years, so you aren't adding money to latter years more so than creating money in current years).
Seems many people are truly clueless on how all of this works. They think it adds money we need to play players (it isn't adding money, only shifting when it hits the cap). They think it is unplanned and we NEED to keep doing it (we do it because we WANT to do it). They think we cannot possibly get under from $50 mil over (we do it every year). They think we cannot possibly afford FAs (we often grabs some of the highest priced ones, or a haul of players, year after year).
For those that truly understand the concepts, there is literally no downside unless the cap doesn't increase/it goes down (only once in many years under extraordinary circumstances), or a shite head needs to get cut unexpectedly (only once to us over many years with Galette).
You just manage when dead money is going to hit on certain years, and you are literally paying players less than their average by the time they get cut because they never see a lot of the big back end year(s) bucks, while signing them EXTREMELY cheap their first year. And you can do this all infinitely until the cba majorly changes the rules or the cap gets to a point where it won't get sizable increases each year. Neither of those things are likely to happen anytime soon.
There is literally no drawback to kicking the can as long as you are keeping an eye on the dead money on the back end (which is just money you would have had to pay on earlier years, so you aren't adding money to latter years more so than creating money in current years).
Seems many people are truly clueless on how all of this works. They think it adds money we need to play players (it isn't adding money, only shifting when it hits the cap). They think it is unplanned and we NEED to keep doing it (we do it because we WANT to do it). They think we cannot possibly get under from $50 mil over (we do it every year). They think we cannot possibly afford FAs (we often grabs some of the highest priced ones, or a haul of players, year after year).
For those that truly understand the concepts, there is literally no downside unless the cap doesn't increase/it goes down (only once in many years under extraordinary circumstances), or a shite head needs to get cut unexpectedly (only once to us over many years with Galette).
You just manage when dead money is going to hit on certain years, and you are literally paying players less than their average by the time they get cut because they never see a lot of the big back end year(s) bucks, while signing them EXTREMELY cheap their first year. And you can do this all infinitely until the cba majorly changes the rules or the cap gets to a point where it won't get sizable increases each year. Neither of those things are likely to happen anytime soon.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 5:24 pm to Chad504boy
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It will never be this. Quit typing it, it’s dumb
We know it won’t be that, but you are aware another restructure creating a big hit or worse dead cap for 27 and 28 is coming to manage this, right? On a second thought you probably don’t which is dumb.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 5:26 pm to bonethug0180
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For those that truly understand the concepts, there is literally no downside
Amazing no other teams use our cap concepts to the level we do considering no downside.
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