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re: Shuck and Vele shine again
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase project a QB like this after a game with sub-150 yards passing, 0TDs and 1 INT.
Y'all are being unfair to Shough.
I think some of the comparisons are a bit much, but he's shown enough that you give him a full offseason & a weapon or another OG to help to see if he grows next year.
If he doesn't, its simply you make a decision going into year 3 or 4 -- you put a microscope on him and move onto the next prospect.
That being said, there are things he does really well
1. keeps his eyes down field
2. doesn't seem to get rattled when he's going to get hit
3. puts the ball on the money more often than not
If he can't by the time he's 3-4 years in, that's time to move on.
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:25 am to htran90
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I think some of the comparisons are a bit much, but he's shown enough that you give him a full offseason & a weapon or another OG to help to see if he grows next year.
I fully agree.
Some of these baws are saying they'd take him over Drake Maye
Drake Maye, the current favorite for MVP at 23
It's too much
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That being said, there are things he does really well
1. keeps his eyes down field
2. doesn't seem to get rattled when he's going to get hit
3. puts the ball on the money more often than not
Most important to me is that he doesn't take off quickly to create a reliance on running to pass, like what we see with many young QBs (Dart the most this year). Developing that crutch early is bad for QBs who have mobility. He's able to operate at a competent level without doing all of that, which is a big thing to project him developing over time.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
He isn’t Drake Maye but he’s shown he could be the guy which is more than 75% of this board thought in April. I just read one of those threads and people were posting as if we drafted Brandon Weeden.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:49 am to NIH
Well some of that I imagine you need to look at post-Carr retirement, b/c we all thought Carr would be QB for 1-2 more years.
I made a thread about how we couldn't justify the pick if he didn't start this year and look good. He is, so we can, but when he was able to start and show promise was a big deal, and even a bigger deal with Carr still on the roster and being our starting QB
Carr's solid in retiring AND giving the money back is incredibly underrated. It un-fricked our cap and ripped the crutch bandaid off.
I made a thread about how we couldn't justify the pick if he didn't start this year and look good. He is, so we can, but when he was able to start and show promise was a big deal, and even a bigger deal with Carr still on the roster and being our starting QB
Carr's solid in retiring AND giving the money back is incredibly underrated. It un-fricked our cap and ripped the crutch bandaid off.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Some of these baws are saying they'd take him over Drake Maye ?
Drake Maye, the current favorite for MVP at 23
It's too much
Some people here think the Earth is flat and that Rattler is a good QB. Arguing against those takes > brushing them off only legitimizes them. You don't have to take them seriously and they aren't a majority.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase project a QB like this after a game with sub-150 yards passing, 0TDs and 1 INT
From a statistical standpoint you really have to throw out yesterday’s game due to the weather. I think he showed some real poise and leadership. It’s obvious he’s getting more out of this team than what was there earlier in the season
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:09 pm to jorconalx
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than what was there earlier in the season
Just FWIW, I was never a Rattler-stan
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not that I would take shough over maye, but the comparison should be maye (2024) vs shough...
Maye first 5 starts (2-3)...
Passer rating: 88.3, 109.7, 59.7, 69.8, 79.4
Qbr: 31.9, 45.2, 93.7, 55.1, 60.1
Avg passer rating: 81.5
Avg qbr: 57.2
Shough first 5 starts (2-3)...
Passer rating: 81.2, 128.9, 74.1, 91.9, 65.4
Qbr: 70.9, 63.8, 30.8, 32.7; 75.1
Avg passer rating: 88.5
Avg qbr: 54.7
Maye first 5 starts (2-3)...
Passer rating: 88.3, 109.7, 59.7, 69.8, 79.4
Qbr: 31.9, 45.2, 93.7, 55.1, 60.1
Avg passer rating: 81.5
Avg qbr: 57.2
Shough first 5 starts (2-3)...
Passer rating: 81.2, 128.9, 74.1, 91.9, 65.4
Qbr: 70.9, 63.8, 30.8, 32.7; 75.1
Avg passer rating: 88.5
Avg qbr: 54.7
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
That’s not true at all.
Theres a reason the saying is hindsight is 20/20.
You always should go back and do an “autopsy” of those decision and moves later on also. You continuously evaluate and re-evaluate the decision ongoing.
Theres a reason the saying is hindsight is 20/20.
You always should go back and do an “autopsy” of those decision and moves later on also. You continuously evaluate and re-evaluate the decision ongoing.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Just FWIW, I was never a Rattler-stan
The racial undertones in the Rattler vs Shough debate, made it impossible.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:24 pm to LSUtiger89
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That’s not true at all.
Theres a reason the saying is hindsight is 20/20.
You always should go back and do an “autopsy” of those decision and moves later on also. You continuously evaluate and re-evaluate the decision ongoing.
I'll use the tried and true poker example (since it's a familiar concept and we know the %s)
You call an all-in on the turn with an obvious 2-outer, if you hit that 5% chance on the river does it make it a good decision?
I think it's (clearly) a bad decision, regardless of the results.
And I know it's a polar example, but getting into the nuances of EV is going to be too much for many on here to understand.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:24 pm to msstate7
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but the comparison should be maye (2024) vs shough...
Or the comparison should be 2025 Shough v. 2028 Maye
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'll use the tried and true poker example (since it's a familiar concept and we know the %s)
You call an all-in on the turn with an obvious 2-outer, if you hit that 5% chance on the river does it make it a good decision?
I think it's (clearly) a bad decision, regardless of the results.
And I know it's a polar example, but getting into the nuances of EV is going to be too much for many on here to understand.
autism is so beautiful
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:26 pm to msstate7
Maye turned 23 years old 3 months ago. He was extremely young in his first year starting.
I love what Shough is doing so far but I don’t think there is a player in the nfl I’d take over Maye right now to build a team around for the next decade plus.
I love what Shough is doing so far but I don’t think there is a player in the nfl I’d take over Maye right now to build a team around for the next decade plus.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
He is a rookie, but they pulled up the chart during the game. Hes older than a 1/3 of staring qbs in the league.
Purdy has 4 years starting in the league already and is still younger.
Purdy has 4 years starting in the league already and is still younger.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:33 pm to gaetti15
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autism is so beautiful
Poker is just one of the easier examples to use to discuss decision-making, again, because it's a familiar game and we know the %s
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:34 pm to Townedrunkard
And the NFL isn't, say, the NBA, but it matters. In terms of likely immediate impact, experience in college matters. Age and maturity matter.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:37 pm to St Augustine
There is going to be a dearth of qb talent going soon. Of the last few drafts dating back to 2021 I would say Maye is the only sure fire all pro right now. The Texans are about to be forced to pay CJ Stroud nine figures for slightly above average production. Purdy is going to handcuff the Niners once their 2017-2022 talent ages out. Shough being good could be a big difference maker.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:39 pm to St Augustine
I'd absolutely take maye, and said that. Just stating comparing maye after the team spent a ton of money this offseason to help him vs shough this season is unfair.
I think the age with shough isn't that big of a deal. Not like you can hit QBs these days, so good ones will play into the mid to late 30s. You basically have a window with good QBs now... rookie contract and 4 years or so of the next one before their money kills you. Shough should be in his prime during that window, and that's assuming he is one to build to around. I hope he is
I think the age with shough isn't that big of a deal. Not like you can hit QBs these days, so good ones will play into the mid to late 30s. You basically have a window with good QBs now... rookie contract and 4 years or so of the next one before their money kills you. Shough should be in his prime during that window, and that's assuming he is one to build to around. I hope he is
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:44 pm to NIH
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forced to pay CJ Stroud
I'm really curious what happens here.
The one thing that will tank a franchise is making a Tua/Kyler mistake. You can't give those guys market-rate 2nd contracts.
A guy like CJ is teetering on the border
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 12:44 pm
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