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re: Should we keep Grupe over Lutz?
Posted on 8/28/23 at 11:41 am to tigersint
Posted on 8/28/23 at 11:41 am to tigersint
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Only concern is his leg may not kick much further than 50
well i guess you missed his 60 yarder that was off to the side but would have been long enough to make it even if it was a 68 yarder
Posted on 8/28/23 at 11:55 am to keakar
Pretty sure NFL kickers can 1 step 50s with ease. There isn’t a modern kicker sniffing the NFL without unreal leg talent. I know a player in Grupe’s position today, Parker Romo for the Lions, and holy shite to see what he can do kicking a football is unreal. Both of them may be on the outside come tomorrow…but leg talent isn’t the issue. Very talented young men.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 3:14 pm to GynoSandberg
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Lutz converted 68% of his 19 FGA between 30-49 yards last season. Worst in the league.
That is staggeringly atrocious. Especially for a kicker that with the added game, kicks 9-10 games AT LEAST every year in a dome. And at least 2 others in Carolina and Tampa where the weather is good. NFL kickers have to be close to 100% from that distance in today’s NFL.
And yes, Lutz was coming back from an injury last season. But what players did last year is a better predictor of what they will do THIS year than what they did 2 years prior. And as somebody pointed out, he was perfect inside of 30 and 4-6 from 50+ (when there’s not as much pressure because you’re not expected to be 100% from that distance.
All that, to me, points to it being a mental issue. And the fact they are legit giving a guy who look like he should be in middle school an opportunity to compete for the job combined with how Lutz looked on the sideline and in the lockerroom post game, looks to me like not only are they not confident in him, but he’s not confident in himself.
Competition should be good for confident players who know they’re “the guy.” But a kicker coming off a bad year can quickly lose confidence and not get it back. And you can’t kick in the NFL if you’re not confident. Id they were committed to Lutz, the better psychological play may have been to not have brought in a legitimate threat. To pump him up and tell him they believed in him. But from the, granted, very very little we’ve seen, it may have done the opposite and made Lutz even less confident.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 3:29 pm to Gaston
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Gaston
Wrong board, but since I’ve got you, what’s the deal with Peyton Todd at LSU? Seemed to be the most decorated punter we signed in a while, if not ever. Is it a confidence thing with him and not being able to consistently hit it flush? Can he not punt directionally? Not enough hang time? Kelly just trusts his guy from Norte Dame because at least be knows what he can expect with him? Does Todd have the yips?
But to bring that back around to Lutz, the yips are a real thing. We see it with kickers all the time. Professional golfers are susceptible to it. So are MLB baseball players (Knaublach and Ankiel immediately come to mind.). Hell, we had an All-State catcher in high school who started 4 years on the LSU football team who went through a spell where he couldn’t throw it back to the pitcher. Eventually had to throw it to 3rd after every pitch and the 3B would throw it back to the pitcher.
The brain is a strange and complex organ and if wires get crossed, the yips can hang around for a long time, if not forever, and end careers. The Saints could be in some close games this year, and a handful of short FGs could be the difference in 7-9 or 9-7 and winning the South. Is it worth paying Lutz all that money and losing Grupe on the hopes that last year was an anomaly and he’s got it straightened out? Cause we can’t know until he gets in a real game, pressure situation. He could have gone 1000 for 1000 in camp practices, but you simply can’t come close to simulating the pressure of a real game.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 3:40 pm to Hot Carl
All that said, we really can’t know what Grupe will do with live bullets flying. There was pressure on him last night because he was trying to make the team. But that’s not the same kind of pressure as lining up in a game that counts for a 50-yarder down by 2 to the Falcons with 2 seconds left on the clock. He may drill it right down the middle or shite his pants. Both guys are gambles in their own ways. That’s why I think they’ll probably go with Lutz. At least they know he’s been in that position multiple times before.
There may be something else at play, though. Their bigger concern might be OL depth and may want to go with Grupe to save some cap to use to sign somebody there.
Regardless, we’ll find out tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what they do.
There may be something else at play, though. Their bigger concern might be OL depth and may want to go with Grupe to save some cap to use to sign somebody there.
Regardless, we’ll find out tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what they do.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 3:49 pm to Hot Carl
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Peyton Todd
I just don’t know. In the high school competitions there isn’t a big focus on the time it takes from when you catch the snap to kicking it…but I imagine in college they are on your arse about getting rid of it. 6’5” 250 lbs…but maybe it isn’t speed at all.
He seems like a good fit, so maybe he’ll get the job when Bramblett is done.
The LSU special teams is going to be very interesting to watch over the next few years. Be interesting to see if Corbello can find the field.
ETA: kicking is like golf…if everything is right in the groove you’re probably going kill it…and have the confidence to do so…if there’s a yip anywhere in there it will find its way to ruin you.
This post was edited on 8/28/23 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 8/28/23 at 4:20 pm to Delusional
Nick seems very adamant it's going to be Lutz. Personally I don't see why he should be so far ahead. If they are about equal I feel like you would go with the younger and cheaper option, see if you can get something out of SP for Lutz.
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