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Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:09 am to bonethug0180
I saw some guys the other day on twitter, can't find it now, showing the angles he throws the ball and how much more catchable it is.
I don't have the stats, but I'd be willing to bet he works the middle and seams a LOT more than Rattler did too, at least that's what it appears to me
I don't have the stats, but I'd be willing to bet he works the middle and seams a LOT more than Rattler did too, at least that's what it appears to me
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:11 am to whatiknowsofar
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The safety was jogging and was still 5 yards within the dB that picked the ball. He stopped running when olave stopped running because that was his responsibility.
You do realize that if Olave streaks like he should have. Then he would have been right where the corner was. If not a step or 2 further. The safety was not going to make it. Shuck literally throws it deep within 2 secs of the snap bc he knew the zone safety couldn’t make it. He made that decision pre snap.
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Its like you guys have no concept of what zone is
you say this like it will work every play. Shuck out smarted the safety. Too bad Olave did not. 
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:12 am to whatiknowsofar
Nope he looked off the safety before throwing deep.
Olave has a pattern of fricking things up.
That said, I get what you are saying about the wideout modifying his route based on what he is seeing while running it.
Olave has a pattern of fricking things up.
That said, I get what you are saying about the wideout modifying his route based on what he is seeing while running it.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:12 am to Mouth
As I recall it was fairly universal from the commentators that Olave didn't see what Shough saw, and he should have
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:13 am to bonethug0180
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The BIGGEST difference between the 2 is that Rattler is a one read QB who stares down his read the whole way, while Shough actually goes through his progression (though I wish he would get to his check down quicker at times, though he is already doing that better than Rattler ever did).
he also changes the protection at the line if needed.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:16 am to Fun Bunch
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As I recall it was fairly universal from the commentators that Olave didn't see what Shough saw, and he should have
Thank you!
I didn’t hear the cometary, but it is so obvious.
What is even better about shuck. Is he took the blame in his post game interview. Even though he knew he was right. He is a leader. That’s why I overlook his age. His maturity is a big reason why he will succeed at a quicker clip.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:18 am to Mouth
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Shuck out smarted the safety. Too bad Olave did not.
You have no proof of that. Id need to see the all 22 to confirm, but its a good better best situation. If shough fits it in the deep ball its an all pro throw given the coverage. Best is olave reading the safety playing zone and choosing the comeback
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:22 am to Fun Bunch
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saw some guys the other day on twitter, can't find it now, showing the angles he throws the ball and how much more catchable it is.
Juwan Johnson is suddenly catching everything so I believe it
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:34 am to Fun Bunch
Has anyone claimed “the numbers” are that much different? He’s arguing apples to oranges for “Spence”
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:40 am to NIH
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Has anyone claimed “the numbers” are that much different?
No, because no one can. Because the numbers arent much different from Spencer to Shough
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:41 am to whatiknowsofar
Ok
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:43 am to infantry1026
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Look at where Jalen Hurts is……holy shite what a terrible contract Couldn’t happen to a better team frick the Eagles
Eh they’ve been to 2 of the last 4 Super Bowls and won 1 of them. They are just fine
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:50 am to Fun Bunch
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He is small, inaccurate, and has a weak arm by NFL standards.
I can give you small and an average arm by nfl standards, but it is by no means weak.
The inaccurate shite to me is wild and a false narrative. Besides having a higher comp%, spencer has a lower bad throw % (11 to 15.8 for Tyler) the on target throws are nearly identical (74.7 to 75.1 for tyler) the drop% from receivers as well (4.5 to 5.1 for tyler)
Shough puts the ball down the field more, but it's doesnt mean hes getting better results from it. Intended air yards per pass attempt, i.e. average depth of target, again nearly identical (7.9 to 8.1 for tyler)
Shough leads his wrs more and gets more yac-again bullshite. Yac per completion is nearly identical (3.7 to 4.1)
Theres too much info out there to prove that you and many others are just in your feelings about Tyler "being so much better than spencer you just arent watching the games"
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:55 am to whatiknowsofar
Are you arguing Spence is better? Hard to keep track of whatever it is you are arguing at this point.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:17 pm to whatiknowsofar
Where do you find your stats? The ones you are quoting do require some serious digging but are really cool stats.
I do question these 2 stats. Not stating that Spencer's is so much worse/better than Shough; just questioning the accuracy of what they consider a bad or on-target throw. Both QBs have had tendency of putting the ball behind the intended target a lot. Rattler's stick out more because the team had a few missed TDs early in the season because of this
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spencer has a lower bad throw % (11 to 15.8 for Tyler) the on target throws are nearly identical (74.7 to 75.1 for tyler)
I do question these 2 stats. Not stating that Spencer's is so much worse/better than Shough; just questioning the accuracy of what they consider a bad or on-target throw. Both QBs have had tendency of putting the ball behind the intended target a lot. Rattler's stick out more because the team had a few missed TDs early in the season because of this
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:36 pm to bonethug0180
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He stands in there and takes a hit to deliver balls, while Rattler hasn't ever really done that.
BS. Rattler has done this multiple times. You are just denying it.
Rattler will never be a top QB but some of these comparisons, records, and stats with Shough are a fricking joke because all one has to do is look at who each played. That is essentially the NFL at its heart. Not just who but when. The only cupcake Rattler played in 2024 was the Raiders. This year Arizona and Giants. Shough played Carolina, Miami and Atlanta.
Shough got 3 this year and is 1-2 in those so far. So while he's much better than Rattler, it's not translating to wins which is what was brought up numerous times when discussing Rattler.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:53 pm to saintsfan1977
Carolina has a winning record and just beat the Rams. Tampa has a winning record and has won the division since 2021. The Dolphins have won 5 of their last 6.
“Spence” is 1-14 in the NFL and finished his senior college year at 5-7.
“Spence” is 1-14 in the NFL and finished his senior college year at 5-7.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:53 pm to whatiknowsofar
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The inaccurate shite to me is wild and a false narrative. Besides having a higher comp%, spencer has a lower bad throw % (11 to 15.8 for Tyler) the on target throws are nearly identical (74.7 to 75.1 for tyler) the drop% from receivers as well (4.5 to 5.1 for tyler)
here is all you need to know
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:57 pm to t00f
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