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re: Season going according to Kellen Moore's plan
Posted on 11/1/25 at 8:03 am to goatmilker
Posted on 11/1/25 at 8:03 am to goatmilker
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The true value of the Vele has not been written yet.
a. You analyze these things in real time
b. How can trading an early 4th for an old WR work within a tank/rebuild philosophy?
There is no way to spin the Vele trade other than a win now move.
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
Your admittedly the one "spinning" not me.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So the trade is OK if it's a mid-round 4th?
Trading an early 4th cannot
Based on what Vele has done so far, I'm not a fan of the trade either... but you're trying too hard. It was not unreasonable at the time. Not every move is going to work out, and this one won't set back the rebuild if it doesn't. This is not the decision to be so fixated on.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:08 pm to goatmilker
quote:
Your admittedly the one "spinning" not me.
No
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:09 pm to Handsome Pete
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So the trade is OK if it's a mid-round 4th?
It would be hard to justify for almost all picks, considering his age.
Vele is not on a rebuild timeline.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's like in your own quote.
"There is no way to spin the Vele trade other than a win now move".
"There is no way to spin the Vele trade other than a win now move".
Posted on 11/1/25 at 5:01 pm to Handsome Pete
Drafting a stud qb is a pipe dream.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 6:02 pm to thermal9221
quote:Seems to happen sometimes for other teams.
Drafting a stud qb is a pipe dream.
Have to make a bet to win. I count 10-12 NFL franchises that have a QB they drafted that they're happy with. I like those odds. The Saints are allowed to have good things.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 6:55 pm to Handsome Pete
The odds are bad.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:04 pm to Handsome Pete
quote:
Not every move is going to work out, and this one won't set back the rebuild if it doesn't. This is not the decision to be so fixated on.
Sad thing is, I hear this more and more with this regimes draft picks and trades.
This team had no business trading that 4th with how bad the roster is. It was a retarded trade from the get go.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 8:51 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:So that's it then? Saints are done cause they wasted a 4th?
Sad thing is, I hear this more and more with this regimes draft picks and trades.
This team had no business trading that 4th with how bad the roster is. It was a retarded trade from the get go.
At this point no one is claiming it was a good trade, but you got to let it go. It will not be the last move that doesn't work out. This is not the one that will kill us.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 8:13 am to Handsome Pete
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So that's it then? Saints are done cause they wasted a 4th?
Stop being histrionic.
Over? No.
Less efficient? Yes
But the more responsive point is that if OP was correct, the 100% "win now" move of the Vele trade has no place, which implies OP is wrong.
Our front office and coaching staff thought we were going to compete this year
Posted on 11/2/25 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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Compete
I seriously doubt this. I think they wanted to put more weapons in front of the young qbs so they could evaluate and not wonder if it’s just the supporting cast being dogshit
Posted on 11/2/25 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Trading a 4th for a receiver with 3 years left on his rookie deal is "100% win now"? And I'm being histrionic? The obsession you have with this trade is weird.
But the more responsive point is that if OP was correct, the 100% "win now" move of the Vele trade has no place, which implies OP is wrong.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:29 am to NIH
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I think they wanted to put more weapons in front of the young qbs so they could evaluate and not wonder if it’s just the supporting cast being dogshit
There were much cheaper ways to do this than to get an old, mid guy like Vele
This post was edited on 11/2/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:30 am to Handsome Pete
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Trading a 4th for a receiver with 3 years left on his rookie deal is "100% win now"?
He's old.
quote:
The obsession you have with this trade is weird.
Within the context of this thread, it's very relevant (again, completely refutes OP)
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:48 am to Handsome Pete
We have a horrible roster and have drafted poorly for the last several years. We need a few good drafts regardless of who’s coaching
Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:39 pm to Handsome Pete
Bump
quote:
6. If Shough doesn't win enough games to push our draft slot out of the top 7-8, then draft a QB. If he does (which probably means winning 4-5 games), build around Tyler. Most of the teams on the rest of our schedule are bad, 4-5 wins is very possible if Shough is good.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:12 pm to Handsome Pete
LFG Pete!
Posted on 12/14/25 at 12:14 pm to Handsome Pete
quote:
If Shough doesn't win enough games to push our draft slot out of the top 7-8, then draft a QB.
You're not drafting a first round quarterback regardless. You have too many other needs and why not give Tyler a whole season to figure out what he's got. At least that way, if you have to bring in a new quarterback, he's not coming into a team with a bear cupboard
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