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re: Saints releasing Byrd
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:18 pm to Telephone Tough Guy
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:18 pm to Telephone Tough Guy
There is really no reason not to designate him as a post-June 1st cut unless they plan to use that on someone else (unlikely). The only thing is that we won't receive any additional cap space in 2017 until June, so it won't help us in this FA period.
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:18 pm to Telephone Tough Guy
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Really dumb if it's a pre June 1st cut.
Not really. We still save $3+ mil on the cap.
But it is very likely to be labeled a June 1st cut.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:20 pm to tzimme4
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That's very dumb of them if this is true. The dead money would be cut in half if they cut him next season. I guess they think it's another 7-9 season.
They save 3.2 million cutting him now and take 8 million in dead money (Pre June)
They have 7 million in cap relief next season cutting him and cut the dead money in half.
I never saw so much misunderstanding of the cap in one post in my life.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:21 pm to Chad504boy
He finally fulfilled that ballhawk promise in the Tampa game and only the Tampa game.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:21 pm to Rand AlThor
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There is really no reason not to designate him as a post-June 1st cut unless they plan to use that on someone else (unlikely). The only thing is that we won't receive any additional cap space in 2017 until June, so it won't help us in this FA period.
Like you said, we get two guys to use the designation on, and only Byrd and Strief makes sense to use it on.
I see Strief hanging on one more year so pretty clear they will use it on Byrd.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:23 pm to TigerBait1127
They're taking the entire 8M hit. It's a idiotic move.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:24 pm to Rand AlThor
Couldn't we just sign over the cap by the amount we expect to get back after June? I know teams can go over but not sure the parameter
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:27 pm to tzimme4
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They're taking the entire 8M hit. It's a idiotic move.
First, it's an idiotic move.
Second, you're taking the full hit with either designation.
But literally the only reason to take the full hit in 2017, which I highly doubt they'd do, would be to sign a player this offseason.
And that makes your other point look even more retarded.
Third, link to the Saints saying they aren't going to designate him June 1st? Because that isn't what the link actually claims.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:29 pm to tzimme4
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They're taking the entire 8M hit. It's a idiotic move.
Again you CLEARLY don't know shite about the cap.
The dead money is around $8 mil now. His originally cap hit was a little over $11 mill.
We save $3.7(?) mil on the cap now.
If designated as a June 1st cut, which won't be known until he is actually cut, we save an additional $4.2 mil on the cap, which comes from that portion of the dead money being pushed into next year.
Learn to cap or shut the frick up about things you don't know.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:31 pm to Chad504boy
This is the kinda reason we haven't been to the playoffs since 2013 with a HOF QB. You cut a player, who unless you are retarded, know that Byrd was not a weak link. Yea he was overpaid but not a weakness in pass D. You cut him to save little and pay a lot. We lose another experienced player with decent play and don't hardly even save much. Spillers, Graham, Lofton, Evans, Byrd, K.Lewis (?), every year we do this. We should have kept him 1 more year. And yea, I understand we traded for Graham, still had the cap hit though.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:31 pm to bonethug0108
So you're saying this is a good move? 
And yes I know how the cap works. I've been looking at 2017-18 for over a month now.
And yes I know how the cap works. I've been looking at 2017-18 for over a month now.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:32 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Couldn't we just sign over the cap by the amount we expect to get back after June? I know teams can go over but not sure the parameter
No. This is to keep teams from abusing these June 1st cuts to sign big time FAs early on. You get some relief but not all of it until June.
It does give us space to sign our draft picks ($2.4 mil iirc) plus a little buffer for the PS and the 52nd and 53rd players when they start counting.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:35 pm to tzimme4
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So you're saying this is a good move?
And yes I know how the cap works. I've been looking at it for over a month now.
No you clearly don't.
But I neither said it was a good nor bad move. I just said cap wise it makes total sense.
I'm not completely sold on Bell but he has shown promise, as did Harris.
The money could get us a much better player if spent right.
Byrd was far from advertised his whole time here.
Will Bell be better? I don't know. I don't see him being much of a drop of though.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:35 pm to tzimme4
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So you're saying this is a good move?
We're saying that you have no understanding of what you're running your mouth about, and your logic makes zero sense.
Since the dead money is literally a sunk cost, you have to look at what the cost of Byrd is going forward in new money for 2017 and beyond.
Is Byrd worth the $3+ million we immediately get to spend in FA? If the answer isn't yes, you move on from him.
His signing bonus remaining on the cap is $8 million whether you keep him or not.
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And yes I know how the cap works. I've been looking at it for over a month now.
Keep looking
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:42 pm to tzimme4
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And yes I know how the cap works. I've been looking at 2017-18 for over a month now.
Well let's see what you've said so far:
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he dead money would be cut in half if they cut him next season.
Well that is false. It goes from $8m to $4.6m. The thing is, that money is already paid out. So it is really irrelevant to anyone wanting to have an actual logical discussion on this
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They save 3.2 million cutting him now and take 8 million in dead money (Pre June)
You take on $8 million in dead money whether it is pre-June 1st or not. The difference is that if we designate him as a post June 1st cut, we can spread out the cap hit.
Either way, we're not using the space designated in 2017 by a post-June 1st cut in FA unless we do a delayed signing like last year.
What we can use in FA is the $3.2 million in space
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They have 7 million in cap relief next season cutting him and cut the dead money in half.
Yea, that isn't how this actually works.
Guess what. We save the money in 2017 by cutting him this year too....
Even if it isn't a pre-June 1st cut (which would make zero sense with cap rollover from year to year, unless we need the space to sign players THIS year), we save:
2017: $3.2m
2018: ~ $7.9m
So we create ~$11.1m in cap savings over the next 2 years instead of the $7.1m we save in your scenario.
So here's the question: Is he worth the $3.2m (or more if you do a delayed signing)?
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:02 pm to Chad504boy
Finally. Good riddance.
He's such a terrible DB.
He's such a terrible DB.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:03 pm to TigerBait1127
In all honesty I dont realy like this move.
The 3.2 Mil that we save this FA by cutting him in my opinion will not be enough to pay for what production he brings to the field. He actualy was alot better than most people gave him credit for. He may not have lived up to his price, but he was clearly a difference maker on the field at times, expecially by aiding the young guys to learn the system.
Worst case scenario he was a starting caliber safety.
Dont think that a 3.2 Mil rotational player will make up for cutting Byrd.
Next season was definatly his tome to go tho.
The 3.2 Mil that we save this FA by cutting him in my opinion will not be enough to pay for what production he brings to the field. He actualy was alot better than most people gave him credit for. He may not have lived up to his price, but he was clearly a difference maker on the field at times, expecially by aiding the young guys to learn the system.
Worst case scenario he was a starting caliber safety.
Dont think that a 3.2 Mil rotational player will make up for cutting Byrd.
Next season was definatly his tome to go tho.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:09 pm to Chad504boy
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Another top DB available.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:12 pm to tigersint
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Dont think that a 3.2 Mil rotational player will make up for cutting Byrd.
You do realize you can sign a guy for $10 mil a year but give him a $3 mil first year hit right? I mean that's about the same exact fricking thing we did with Byrd.
So that $3+ mil can get us a really good player.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:16 pm to tigersint
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The 3.2 Mil that we save this FA by cutting him in my opinion will not be enough to pay for what production he brings to the field. He actualy was alot better than most people gave him credit for. He may not have lived up to his price, but he was clearly a difference maker on the field at times, expecially by aiding the young guys to learn the system.
Worst case scenario he was a starting caliber safety.
Dont think that a 3.2 Mil rotational player will make up for cutting Byrd.
You can take that $3.2m to get an impact player in the door with the cap space we have going forward.
It could be money used to re-sign Nick.
It could be money used to sign an impact corner or linebacker.
It could be used to bring in a guard or pass catching RB.
I can't judge it until free agency is over. That's certainly a possible concern. And honestly, Byrd was basically a rotational safety with Vaccaro and Bell. He showed those flashes last year, just had some awful plays to go along. Not all his fault either with the position the coaches often put him in
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 9:18 pm
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