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re: Saints Free Agency Outlook, This Year Only Possible FA Rules

Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:35 am to
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:35 am to
Jeff Duncan gives his take-

Priority 1

These are the players the club must re-sign because of their talent or a lack of depth at their position on the roster.

Losing any one of them would be a major blow. Consequently, they have leverage. Their services will be the most difficult to retain, in part because they'll likely demand more interest and dollars in the open market.

Jermon Bushrod: He's not a superstar, but he plays the second-most important position on the club's high-powered offense (left tackle).

Moreover, there's no viable replacement on the roster.

Roman Harper: Forget the debacle in Seattle.

Harper is a core veteran who is coming off his best season as a pro. The strong safety is a critical part of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams' weekly game plan.

Lance Moore: Arguably the team's second-best receiver, he brings a unique skill set to the offense.

Brees won't be happy if he gets away.

Priority 2

These players are key parts of the Saints' plan.

They're important but not essential personnel. Individually, their departures would hurt but wouldn't necessarily be devastating.

David Thomas: Another Brees favorite, he's the No. 2 tight end, which, in Coach Sean Payton's system, is essentially a starter.

He's a versatile, underrated talent whose mentorship to second-year pro Jimmy Graham carries weight.

Jon Goodwin: The Saints won't break the bank for their incumbent center.

He's a solid starter, but the club has his heir apparent on the roster in Matt Tennant.

Remi Ayodele: The signing of Shaun Rogers dramatically reduced Ayodele's role.

He's now the third defensive tackle and looking at backup money.

Darren Sharper: No longer a starter but a quality nickel safety, and he brings a lot of intangibles to the table.

But he'll turn 36 in November, so the price will have to be right for Sharper to return.

Anthony Hargrove: Only Will Smith and Sedrick Ellis have more sacks than Hargrove the past two seasons.

Quality, productive role players are hard to find, but the defensive end/tackle might find a better offer elsewhere.

Scott Shanle: The versatile veteran linebacker is a staff favorite but could be expendable with the additions of Martez Wilson and Nate Bussey in the draft and the anticipated returns of Jonathan Casillas and Stanley Arnoux.

Zach Strief: The towering veteran married a local girl and is enmeshed in the community, so his first option is to re-sign.

He plays a key role as the primary backup at both offensive tackle spots.

Heath Evans: He continues to play a David Patten-like role as a leader and mentor to the team's young group of running backs.

Still, his on-field production has declined, and the club might not have the luxury of keeping him around.

Courtney Roby: He's not a big-ticket item, but as the team's best kickoff returner and gunner, he's a valuable and underrated commodity.

Priority 3

File this group under "wants" not "needs."

You would like to have these players around, but ultimately they're expendable. Most are looking at contracts for the league minimum salary and will have competition just to make the Saints' final roster.

Jeff Charleston: Like Hargrove, he might find more money and/or playing time elsewhere.

But the defensive end is the kind of player the staff wants back.

Tory Humphrey: A Payton favorite, his roster spot will likely come down to whether Payton keeps three or four tight ends.

His competition is Tyler Lorenzen.

Usama Young: His ability to play corner, safety and special teams gives him a potential leg-up in the deep defensive backfield competition.

It also could make him appealing to another team desperate for secondary help.

Jimmy Wilkerson: The Saints likely won't be able to sign both Wilkerson and Hargrove, since both play similar end/tackle roles.

Pierson Prioleau: Similar to Evans and Patten, he's essentially a coach on the field and in the locker room.

But his special teams contributions could help him stick around for another year.

Chris Reis: The club has multiple options in the secondary, so Reis likely will have to earn his roster spot on special teams.

Leigh Torrence: The drafting of Johnny Patrick likely means he'll battle veteran Randall Gay for the fifth corner spot.

Marvin Mitchell: The primary backup to middle linebacker Jon Vilma and a short-yardage specialist, he has seen his role expand in recent years but will face more competition this camp.

Kawika Mitchell: Injuries have taken a toll on the veteran linebacker.

He's probably best-suited for a backup role at this stage of his career.

Danny Clark: Could stick as a backup, but he faces stiff competition from the club's young group of linebackers.

Not priorities

Ladell Betts: Was strictly a stop-gap signee last season.

The backfield is way too crowded to consider bringing him back.

Julius Jones: See Betts.

DeShawn Wynn: See Betts, Jones.

Matt Giordano: No room in the crowded secondary.

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Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38261 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:46 am to
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team's best kickoff returner

I really have to disagree with this. He kills people as a gunner, but he hardly ever gets it past the 20/25. Reggie or Pierre should be doing it in all honesty. I know Porter has the ability but I don't want a starting corner taking that much abuse.

EDIT: But I think you're pretty spot on with the rest of those.

Also wholeheartedly agree with the fact that I will be beyond pissed if we let Moore get away. He's one of my favorite players and I hate that some on here are so willing to let him walk. He makes some of the most athletic catches I've ever seen.
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 10:49 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76442 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:52 am to
Not bad.
I don't see anyone from the 'priority 3' group or the 'no priority' group that will make the team.

Dave Thomas I would put in the P-1 group with the lack of depth at TE.
Stief also as we are thin at OT.

And I just don't see Roby taking a spot on the 53 with the new rules.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:53 am to
JD's take

we might be lucky, the rule changes should diminish the value of kickoff returners.

Johnny Patrick might be his replacement on STs
Posted by BlacknGold
He Hate Me
Member since Mar 2009
12478 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:30 am to
Duncan already mentioned that Patrick wont be doing returns
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
27425 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 12:17 pm to
Stuckey is an interesting suggestion. Looking at his stats from last year with the browns ( 16 games, 5 starts, 40 catches for 346 yards for an 8.7 avg) may not be the greatest. Also he had 3 fumbles and a long of just 25 yards. But, he's supposed to have good speed and is a good slot receiver. Could probably attribute his stats to playing on the browns with a rookie qb. Worst case if we do lose lance Moore why not take a chance on this guy with a one or two year deal? He will benefit greatly by having a qb like brees throwing him the ball, rather than some rookie 1st/2nd year player.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

CBA Optimism Building, Free Agency is gonna hit fast, hard, & heavy


Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 12:43 pm to


Jeff Duncan tweets that he puts Reggie leaving at 60-70% and Lance Moore staying 80-90%. "Brees loves him. What Drew wants, Drew gets."
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50399 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 12:46 pm to
Drew Brees tweets: "I want a handjob from Jeff Duncan."
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 1:02 pm to


Posted by swagsurfin7
Founder of the Alex Morgan Fan Club
Member since Dec 2009
7311 posts
Posted on 6/23/11 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

WR/KR Courtney Roby- 40% at best, KRs diminished value with new rules, is a ST only gunner canidate


Yeh I feel like the new rules hurt him as a KR, but he is still one of our top ST guys so who knows
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 6/24/11 at 12:11 am to
these make sense with the giant number of free agents and the condensed time frame it will happen in...

a short-term idea that would allow teams to exercise three right-of-first-refusals on their own free agents for this year only, according to sources.

A right-of-first-refusal option would allow teams to match any offer that its free agent player signs with another club; in essence, operating under the "transaction" tag model in the previous collective bargaining agreement. It would seem to be an unlikely provision the players would agree to, inasmuch many of the fourth-and-fifth year free agents were unable to enjoy unrestricted free agency in 2010 under the rules of an uncapped year.

There even has been some disapproval from a handful of clubs that have aggressive plans to pursue some of the estimated 500 unrestricted free agents. Clubs often have resisted signing players that give the original club an opportunity to match the contract.

Some teams believe that the short football calendar caused by the lockout needs such a concept -- according to one team executive, NFL teams average 15.5 free agents and have had no opportunity to negotiate with their own players because of lockout rules and the pre-lockout uncertainty of 2011 salary cap figures.

One solution that has been discussed would allow teams to have an exclusive three-to-five day negotiation window with its own unsigned players before free agency commences.

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