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Saints DE Payton Turner Primed for a Breakout Campaign
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:20 pm
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In the 2021 NFL Draft, University of Houston defensive lineman Payton Turner was a surprise first-round selection by the New Orleans Saints with the 28th overall pick.
Turner's 8.5 sacks and 18 tackles for loss over his final two collegiate seasons put him on the radar of scouts. His performance in postseason workouts then vaulted him into the first round.
Turner had a rough rookie season. He missed most of training camp and the regular season opener with calf and elbow injuries. He’d finally make his NFL debut in Week 2 at Carolina. Despite the lack of preseason reps, he immediately showed what made him a high draft choice.
In just 31 snaps against the Panthers, Turner recorded a sack, 3 tackles for loss, and 5 QB pressures. After that strong debut, he played solid football over the next few weeks as a member of a deep edge rotation. Unfortunately, Turner sustained a shoulder injury during a Week 9 loss to Atlanta. The injury would sideline him for the rest of the year, limiting his rookie campaign to just five games.
Despite a small sample size, Turner exhibited nice potential in his first NFL season. He finished with 1 sack, 8 pressures, and 3 tackles for loss among his 12 total stops while appearing in 41% of the defensive snaps over his five games.
An athletic wonder at 6’6” and 270-Lbs., much more will be expected from the 24-year-old Turner in his second season. He was able to play both inside and along the edge in college, something that we saw a sample of in 2021. His versatility fits right in with a New Orleans defensive line with excellent depth, talent, and versatility.
In spite of his lean frame, Turner has outstanding strength at the point of attack. He plays too upright at times, allowing blockers to get to his midsection. He’ll also need to widen his base to take better advantage of his strength against the run.
Turner is inexperienced as a pass rusher along the edge, lacking a wide array of counter moves. That inexperience can also put him out of position against the run.
Possessing impressive agility for his size, Turner puts tackles on their heels quickly and has a good explosion off the snap. Once engaged, his upper body strength allows him to seal the edge against the run or push blockers into the pass pocket. He has explosive speed in pursuit to track down ball carriers and close on the quarterback. His inside spin move can be lethal to pass blockers.
Turner's bull-rush ability, along with the athleticism to develop other pass rush moves, still gives him a tremendous upside. He’ll have to compete for snaps against perennial Pro Bowler Cam Jordan, developing star Marcus Davenport, and underrated contributors Tanoh Kpassagnon and Carl Granderson. Turner's development as a run defender is also crucial for additional playing time.
Expect Turner to also see some action inside. In 2021, the Saints often moved Jordan, Davenport, Kpassagnon, or Turner to defensive tackle in obvious passing situations. The strategy was successful, giving New Orleans extra disruption up front.
Payton Turner was the highest pick among the 2021 Saints draft class. It’s a class that has already shown two potential stars in LB Pete Werner (2nd Round) and CB Paulson Adebo, a third-round choice.
Injuries made first-round pick Turner sort of a forgotten member of what looks like a successful draft haul. After a brief view of what he could do as a rookie, don't be surprised to see a monstrous season from Turner in 2022.
In the 2021 NFL Draft, University of Houston defensive lineman Payton Turner was a surprise first-round selection by the New Orleans Saints with the 28th overall pick.
Turner's 8.5 sacks and 18 tackles for loss over his final two collegiate seasons put him on the radar of scouts. His performance in postseason workouts then vaulted him into the first round.
Turner had a rough rookie season. He missed most of training camp and the regular season opener with calf and elbow injuries. He’d finally make his NFL debut in Week 2 at Carolina. Despite the lack of preseason reps, he immediately showed what made him a high draft choice.
In just 31 snaps against the Panthers, Turner recorded a sack, 3 tackles for loss, and 5 QB pressures. After that strong debut, he played solid football over the next few weeks as a member of a deep edge rotation. Unfortunately, Turner sustained a shoulder injury during a Week 9 loss to Atlanta. The injury would sideline him for the rest of the year, limiting his rookie campaign to just five games.
Despite a small sample size, Turner exhibited nice potential in his first NFL season. He finished with 1 sack, 8 pressures, and 3 tackles for loss among his 12 total stops while appearing in 41% of the defensive snaps over his five games.
An athletic wonder at 6’6” and 270-Lbs., much more will be expected from the 24-year-old Turner in his second season. He was able to play both inside and along the edge in college, something that we saw a sample of in 2021. His versatility fits right in with a New Orleans defensive line with excellent depth, talent, and versatility.
In spite of his lean frame, Turner has outstanding strength at the point of attack. He plays too upright at times, allowing blockers to get to his midsection. He’ll also need to widen his base to take better advantage of his strength against the run.
Turner is inexperienced as a pass rusher along the edge, lacking a wide array of counter moves. That inexperience can also put him out of position against the run.
Possessing impressive agility for his size, Turner puts tackles on their heels quickly and has a good explosion off the snap. Once engaged, his upper body strength allows him to seal the edge against the run or push blockers into the pass pocket. He has explosive speed in pursuit to track down ball carriers and close on the quarterback. His inside spin move can be lethal to pass blockers.
Turner's bull-rush ability, along with the athleticism to develop other pass rush moves, still gives him a tremendous upside. He’ll have to compete for snaps against perennial Pro Bowler Cam Jordan, developing star Marcus Davenport, and underrated contributors Tanoh Kpassagnon and Carl Granderson. Turner's development as a run defender is also crucial for additional playing time.
Expect Turner to also see some action inside. In 2021, the Saints often moved Jordan, Davenport, Kpassagnon, or Turner to defensive tackle in obvious passing situations. The strategy was successful, giving New Orleans extra disruption up front.
Payton Turner was the highest pick among the 2021 Saints draft class. It’s a class that has already shown two potential stars in LB Pete Werner (2nd Round) and CB Paulson Adebo, a third-round choice.
Injuries made first-round pick Turner sort of a forgotten member of what looks like a successful draft haul. After a brief view of what he could do as a rookie, don't be surprised to see a monstrous season from Turner in 2022.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:27 pm to GMoney2600
Zero faith that him and Davenport can ever stay healthy to give us hope! Not biting on either of them until they show it on the field. Two huge disappointments that cost major draft picks!
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:32 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
Why does Sean Payton Turner hate LSU though?
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:40 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
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Zero faith that him and Davenport can ever stay healthy to give us hope! Not biting on either of them until they show it on the field. Two huge disappointments that cost major draft picks!
Davenport didn't miss as much time last year, & he ended up being the best player on our defense. Yes...even better than Cam, Onyemata, Demario, Lattimore, & Marcus Williams. He was dominant & was unblockable at times.
Our run defense & pass rush improved immensely after he got 100% healthy.
I'll agree that he needs to stay healthy more than in the past, but he's already proven it on the field imo.
Turner has a lot more to prove
Posted on 6/1/22 at 2:41 pm to GMoney2600
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Davenport didn't miss as much time last year
Yo he's fantastic when he's in, but homie he missed more games last year than any other season so far.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 2:43 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
Did he really? If so, I guess I didn't notice b/c of how well he played.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:05 pm to GMoney2600
I'll believe it when I see it
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:15 pm to GMoney2600
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Did he really? If so, I guess I didn't notice b/c of how well he played.
Played in 11 and started 9
2020 played in 11 but only started 1
Last year was is best statistically by far. 9 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 39 tackles, and 16 QB hits....through 9 starts. Dude would have been in DPOY discussion with a full season.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:39 pm to mindbreaker
Him and Davenport gonna have 10 combined sacks but 40 almost sacks and Everyone is going to bust nuts because of some pass rush win rate bs lol
Posted on 6/1/22 at 8:46 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
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Zero faith that him and Davenport can ever stay healthy
same...
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:29 pm to J_Hingle
yeah, I'm looking for Payton to come on this season too, Akiem Hicks was available and I wish they would have brought him back to the NO.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:08 pm to GMoney2600
He will be injury plagued with the saints. Then traded then become a comeback player of they year.
I have spoken.
We gave up 2 picks for that guy.
I have spoken.
We gave up 2 picks for that guy.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:32 pm to GMoney2600
Turner reminds me of a young Cam Jordan tbh. He could still pan out. He has a nice toolbox. Just needs to stay healthy and get more experience.
He’s a really good kid. Rooting for him.
He’s a really good kid. Rooting for him.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:15 am to mindbreaker
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Played in 11 and started 9 2020 played in 11 but only started 1 Last year was is best statistically by far. 9 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 39 tackles, and 16 QB hits....through 9 starts. Dude would have been in DPOY discussion with a full season.
He played slightly more snaps for New Orleans in 2021 (437 or 39% of all defensive snaps) vs 2020 (374 or 36%). Not saying that's acceptable. We need more out of him. But I would argue that 2021 was more active of a year for him vs 2020
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:15 am
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:22 am to GMoney2600
I hope it’s true. I mean due to the rules, the way you defend these days is with pass rush. The fewer people you have to send after the QB and still get pressure, the better.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:36 am to BadaBingBadaBoom
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Zero faith that him and Davenport can ever stay healthy to give us hope!
A bit extreme for Turner considering it’s been a single season. I guess you REALLY don’t have faith at MT ever playing again.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:55 am to eddieray
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I hope it’s true. I mean due to the rules, the way you defend these days is with pass rush. The fewer people you have to send after the QB and still get pressure, the better.
That's why the Buc's offense has problems against our defense. We can get pressure with just our front 4, & cover on the back end. We also stop the run.
That's really the only way to consistently stop Brady. Not many teams can do that...not many at all.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 8:56 am
Posted on 6/2/22 at 9:46 am to GMoney2600
He’s given me zero reason to believe he will have a breakout campaign other than his measurables. Looking like a bust
Posted on 6/2/22 at 9:49 am to Fox McCloud
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He’s given me zero reason to believe he will have a breakout campaign other than his measurables. Looking like a bust
Let's give him a healthy season before we proclaim a probable bust.
I'm not thinking a breakout or bust. I just want to see him play, & then make my decision.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:11 pm to GMoney2600
Your best ability is availability. I just made that up
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