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re: Pierre Thomas wants ~$7m a year
Posted on 5/29/10 at 3:43 pm to tubucoco
Posted on 5/29/10 at 3:43 pm to tubucoco
quote:
and despite what you said about positions being important, I still say it depends on what a certain team needs
You miss the point.
It's about where you allocate your resources.
On a scale of 1 to 32 where would you rank Thomas as a starting RB?
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 3:47 pm to moneyg
what? in the Saints scheme of things if that is what you are talkin about, I would say he is their top back right now, in the NFL overall among backs he's down the list.
but that doesn't mean he desrves to be paid cheaply.
answer this, did Grant and McCray deserve those paydays they both got?
but that doesn't mean he desrves to be paid cheaply.
answer this, did Grant and McCray deserve those paydays they both got?
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 3:50 pm to tubucoco
good Lordy tubby, that sounds amazing. I'll be happy to meet you at the 'dome on here if that's what you desire.
lol...and here we go with that circular DE argument again.
lol...and here we go with that circular DE argument again.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 3:58 pm to jdrumdog
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 4:06 pm to adono
adono, at least for me...link is broken to whatever forum that image is from.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 4:16 pm to tubucoco
quote:
but that doesn't mean he desrves to be paid cheaply.
He deserves to be paid based on how he ranks with others at his position across the league.
quote:
answer this, did Grant and McCray deserve those paydays they both got?
Grant's pay was in-line with what a DE with Grant's credentials would have received on the open market. In hindsight, it was a poor decision...but they didn't overpay from a market standpoint.
Paying Thomas $4M+ would be paying him more than he would receive on the open market. The $7M amount is frankly ridiculous.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 4:27 pm to MadMaxwell
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So we don't give good players raises? That sounds more retardeder.
You didn't advocate just giving him a raise, you said we should pay him $2-3m more a year than anyone else would give simply because we got good production from him in his rookie deal. That's the whole value of rookies outside of the top 10 or so, you can get good production for little money. To use second contracts to say "We'll not only give you what you're worth, but we'll give you reparations for your cheap labor in the past" is stupid.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 4:31 pm to moneyg
quote:
Grant's pay was in-line with what a DE with Grant's credentials would have received on the open market. In hindsight, it was a poor decision...but they didn't overpay from a market standpoint. Paying Thomas $4M+ would be paying him more than he would receive on the open market. The $7M amount is frankly ridiculous.
That's a logical approach.
I don't think this FO will cave-in. If Thomas really is demanding $7 Mill, and if he sticks to that, he'll be playing somewhere else pretty soon. I'd hate to see Thomas move on and Bush still be here sitting on his King's ransom, but it could happen and we'll move on.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 4:57 pm to moneyg
quote:no, it wasn't. Grant played the last season of his current contract like most vets do and duped Loomis into signing him into that kind of contract. If you look at his production before that last year where he played like he was out of his mind, it was pretty much in par with how he started playin after he signed that contract.
Grant's pay was in-line with what a DE with Grant's credentials would have on the open market.
Grant's deal gave Smith the perfect renegiotiating ploy, a lot of analyst around the NFL was talkin at the time about how ridiculous it was for the Saints to have 3 DE's tied up to that kind of money and not one was worth it til Smith showed up this past year. He paid those guys like they were all pros.
and I keep sayin the kid (PT) isn't worth 7 mil a year, but you can't blame him for negiotitiating high, he deserves a raise, 4 mil a year sounds justified. Loomis was promoted into the GM position by Benson and really wasn't familiar with being a shrewd negiotator, but he's learned now because of those deals with the Grants, Smiths, and McCrays who haven't lived up to their contracts, but in the case of this kid, he's tryin to lowball him, and that ain't right.
hell, he should have given Sharper 3 mil and not the 1.5 he gave him for this season based on him being a major player in the Saints SB run this year.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 6:00 pm to tubucoco
So, we can just logically assume that tubby's argument can be summed up as follows:
Loomis has no idea what he's doing, and can/will do anything to screw a good player out of a good contract as evidenced by paying bad players bad contracts.
Also, to the Sharper argument, LINK
don't let that get in the way of your logic either, fwiw.
Loomis has no idea what he's doing, and can/will do anything to screw a good player out of a good contract as evidenced by paying bad players bad contracts.
Also, to the Sharper argument, LINK
don't let that get in the way of your logic either, fwiw.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 7:05 pm to RileyTime
quote:
Give it to him, he deserves it
lolz
Based on what? It has been shown that for the most part RBs are interchangeable, and PT still hasn't played an entire season. No way he's getting $7mil a year
Posted on 5/29/10 at 8:09 pm to eyeran
quote:
Len Pasquarelli of ESPN.com reports that Thomas's agent wants money in the Steven Jackson range
There.. fixed it.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:54 am to tubucoco
quote:
I would say that is your opinion,
he posted facts, actually
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:59 am to tubucoco
quote:
but you can't blame him for negiotitiating high
no RB is likely worth 7M/year, and that's the top price. he's asking for "best RB in the NFL" money, which is above "high"
Posted on 5/30/10 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
People claim he can't stay healthy as a reason for not paying him...I believe bush missed like 4 games a year for the last few years and looked at his ridiculous contract so don't give me that shite argument. What I don't understand is early last seaosn hen PT was scoring a td...bush was sitting the bench and Payton walked by and said " I hope your fricking watching"...and Reggie STILL GETS PAID. Garbage all around
Posted on 5/30/10 at 12:53 pm to thejudge
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.I believe bush missed like 4 games a year for the last few years and looked at his ridiculous contract so don't give me that shite argument.
Bush is playing on a contract he signed after being drafted 2nd in the NFL. If your post was meant to support a rookie wage cap, then I'd agree but if this is supposed to mean that PT should be getting paid an obscene contract like the #2 pick in the draft then I'm going to have to assume you don't understand how the NFL Draft currently operates.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 1:02 pm to diat150
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the same guys that are crying about pt wanting a few dollars(he wont get SJ dollars but will get 4-5 mill a year) are the same ones that were blaming the offensive line for the lack of running game and the first half of 08. now all of a sudden our line is great and we can stick anyone back there
You can't be serious. PT was here at that time and he sucked at picking up 3rd/4th and short. It wasn't until Evans, Goodwin and Nicks gelled together that our o-line started to become an excellent run blocking line.
So maybe we should instead be looking to lock up Nicks and PT can sign his second round tender since he wasn't able to generate any interest on the open market.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 1:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:overall, yeah I give him that, but would you say a Charles Grant is worthy of being paid LT type of money, I'm basically arguing isolated incidents. Loomis overpaid these guys way too much, and has now learned from his mistakes, but that doesn't mean you may think a PT may turn out like Grant and not live up to his new contract, this kid is the opposite of Grant, a hardworker.
he posted facts, actually
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:18 pm to tubucoco
You keep showing why you're the most entertaining poster on this site. Its always a good laugh when you try and show your football knowledge
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:22 pm to TigerBait1127
as opposed to what? you 
how is JR faring these days since he was such a can't miss prospect like you proclaimed him to be, you are the real joke.
how is JR faring these days since he was such a can't miss prospect like you proclaimed him to be, you are the real joke.
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